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Re: Grahamunster - Graham Rowntree's Munster 2022/2023

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munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:45 pm
wixfjord wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 11:55 am
munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 10:15 am Frisch will provide some really good depth in the middle of the park, and I doubt he is coming to Munster to just make up the numbers.

He will be pushing hard for inclusion in the Irish squad for the RWC. I’m not saying that he is good enough to make it, as I have limited knowledge of the guy, and he will have to get passed Farrell, which won’t be easy, but this can only benefit Munster.
Less and less subtle...
Will you get over yourself.

Saying that a player will be pushing for inclusion in an Irish squad can only be perceived as a wind up by someone that is …………….

If you believe he, or any other IQ player won’t be doing everything in their power to put their hand up for selection, then you are delusional.
So your sincere opinion is that a 26 year old who has played 12 mins of Euro rugby, two years ago was playing Pro D2 and who won't be starting for Munster this season will be pushing go get into an Ireland RWC squad in the most hotly contested position in the team in 10 months time?

I don't think anyone really believes you hold that view to be honest.
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Re: Grahamunster - Graham Rowntree's Munster 2022/2023

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leinsterforever wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 2:21 pm I think there could be something there with Goggin as a 12. He's physical and is a good passer. He's fairly limited as a 13, in my opinion. It'd be interesting to see him under good attack coaching.

I think Frisch might be being a bit overhyped. He's played very little top level rugby for a 26-year old.
To be fair, from what I’ve seen, the only people hyping him up are players and coaches who know him.
Most Munster fans I’ve talked to know little about him, and are far more excited about Fekitoa.

At this stage Frisch is a squad player with experience, who has his work cut out for him to become first choice at Munster.
“Everything is Legal until you are caught” does not mean that you are not breaking the laws, it simply means that players will play the ref, and will break the laws of the game if they believe they won’t, or until they do, get caught.
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wixfjord wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:47 pm
munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:45 pm
wixfjord wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 11:55 am

Less and less subtle...
Will you get over yourself.

Saying that a player will be pushing for inclusion in an Irish squad can only be perceived as a wind up by someone that is …………….

If you believe he, or any other IQ player won’t be doing everything in their power to put their hand up for selection, then you are delusional.
So your sincere opinion is that a 26 year old who has played 12 mins of Euro rugby, two years ago was playing Pro D2 and who won't be starting for Munster this season will be pushing go get into an Ireland RWC squad in the most hotly contested position in the team in 10 months time?

I don't think anyone really believes you hold that view to be honest.
You are reading what you want to see, as you are a person with a certain view.

I clearly stated that I wasn’t claiming that he was good enough for inclusion in the Irish squad, or even to become first choice ahead of Farrell in the Munster squad.
“Everything is Legal until you are caught” does not mean that you are not breaking the laws, it simply means that players will play the ref, and will break the laws of the game if they believe they won’t, or until they do, get caught.
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munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:51 pm

You are reading what you want to see, as you are a person with a certain view.

I clearly stated that I wasn’t claiming that he was good enough for inclusion in the Irish squad, or even to become first choice ahead of Farrell in the Munster squad.
If a guy is coming to Munster with his profile less than a season out from a RWC and his focus is 'I want to make the Irish RWC squad' rather than 'I want to cement myself as a starter with my new club in a hotly contested position' then there's an issue. I would hope his priority is the former.

He won't be anywhere near a RWC squad.

But you know that.
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wixfjord wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:55 pm
munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:51 pm

You are reading what you want to see, as you are a person with a certain view.

I clearly stated that I wasn’t claiming that he was good enough for inclusion in the Irish squad, or even to become first choice ahead of Farrell in the Munster squad.
If a guy is coming to Munster with his profile less than a season out from a RWC and his focus is 'I want to make the Irish RWC squad' rather than 'I want to cement myself as a starter with my new club in a hotly contested position' then there's an issue. I would hope his priority is the former.

He won't be anywhere near a RWC squad.

But you know that.
You seem to be looking for an argument where there is none rather than engaging in a discussion.

Again I never claimed he would be included.
“Everything is Legal until you are caught” does not mean that you are not breaking the laws, it simply means that players will play the ref, and will break the laws of the game if they believe they won’t, or until they do, get caught.
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munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 3:45 pm
wixfjord wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 11:55 am
munster#1 wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 10:15 am Frisch will provide some really good depth in the middle of the park, and I doubt he is coming to Munster to just make up the numbers.

He will be pushing hard for inclusion in the Irish squad for the RWC. I’m not saying that he is good enough to make it, as I have limited knowledge of the guy, and he will have to get passed Farrell, which won’t be easy, but this can only benefit Munster.
Less and less subtle...
Will you get over yourself.

Saying that a player will be pushing for inclusion in an Irish squad can only be perceived as a wind up by someone that is …………….

If you believe he, or any other IQ player won’t be doing everything in their power to put their hand up for selection, then you are delusional.
Repeating a claim that you promptly deny making.
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Some great interviews here.
As already mentioned by Dropkick, Prendergast looks to be a very exciting addition to the Munster set up.

His pathway to joining Munster has meant that he has gained so much knowledge, coaching in different environments.
This coupled with the fact that he has played in Ireland, England and France means that he has had more exposure to different styles of play, and player groups than most homegrown coaches.

I am really looking forward to see, not only how the Munster backs play, but also how the backs and forwards link in open play.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2022/08/11/ ... endergast/
“Everything is Legal until you are caught” does not mean that you are not breaking the laws, it simply means that players will play the ref, and will break the laws of the game if they believe they won’t, or until they do, get caught.
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munster#1 wrote: August 13th, 2022, 10:00 am Some great interviews here.
As already mentioned by Dropkick, Prendergast looks to be a very exciting addition to the Munster set up.

His pathway to joining Munster has meant that he has gained so much knowledge, coaching in different environments.
This coupled with the fact that he has played in Ireland, England and France means that he has had more exposure to different styles of play, and player groups than most homegrown coaches.

I am really looking forward to see, not only how the Munster backs play, but also how the backs and forwards link in open play.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2022/08/11/ ... endergast/
You just cut and pasted that from your Larkham/Van Grann/Erasmus/Penny/Foley/etc posts, didn't you?
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deco wrote: August 14th, 2022, 3:44 pm
munster#1 wrote: August 13th, 2022, 10:00 am Some great interviews here.
As already mentioned by Dropkick, Prendergast looks to be a very exciting addition to the Munster set up.

His pathway to joining Munster has meant that he has gained so much knowledge, coaching in different environments.
This coupled with the fact that he has played in Ireland, England and France means that he has had more exposure to different styles of play, and player groups than most homegrown coaches.

I am really looking forward to see, not only how the Munster backs play, but also how the backs and forwards link in open play.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2022/08/11/ ... endergast/
You just cut and pasted that from your Larkham/Van Grann/Erasmus/Penny/Foley/etc posts, didn't you?
I didn’t, but I did have the same level of optimism when Munster signed Larkham, Van Grann and Rowntree, so we’ll just have to wait and see.
“Everything is Legal until you are caught” does not mean that you are not breaking the laws, it simply means that players will play the ref, and will break the laws of the game if they believe they won’t, or until they do, get caught.
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I'm more optimistic than I was seeing that dream team because it was a dream team, not a reality team.

Munster were never going to play like Larkham. I don't expect anyone to go over the top in praising a player as Prendergastesque. They haven't hired coaches to do a miracle transformation. They've hired good coaches to do good coaching.

There's plenty of experience of Munster DNA spread around the coaching team but there's also external experience.

Hiring an ex-Leinster contact skills coach says a lot about how Munster plan to win: good detail, height and footwork on both sides of the tackle. There's no reason for Munster to target the breakdown less so that emphasis will remain. It's not feasible to get playmakers everywhere with the squad they have so they won't try. But the ones who can do it will be doing it, that's unavoidable with the Irish team influence.

Munster will continue to be a team that keeps working around the corner and keeps kicking the ball in the right positions, and that's no bad thing. They'll just be a bit better at taking space when they're given it (hopefully). And if they get better at developing the right young talent, then they'll be a much more competitive team before too long.
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The introduction of the SA teams has had a very positive impact on the viewer number for the regular season.
This can only be seen as a massive positive, as hopefully these numbers can translate to greater sponsorship.

Very interesting to see how Munster place in terms of viewer numbers, featuring heavily in the top 10 most viewed games, in 4 of the top 5 derby audiences, and 4 of the top 5 audiences from games in Ireland.


https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2022/08/17/ ... t-records/
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