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April 28th, 2021, 4:13 pm
I think Gatland would like to bring Manu. I think he will give him every chance now that North is out ... those two guys are freakish specimens, and I think Gats would want one of them in the midfield.

I reckon it will be Henshaw, Slade, Ringrose and Manu. Owen Farrell will be selected, depends how training goes whether he is seen as a No10 or a No12. I could definitely be biased towards Irish players – Ringrose had a great season last year but has been hit-and-miss this season.

As great as JJV Davies has been in the past, he is on his last legs now. Similar situation to Drico in 2013 – all the smarts and the skills and the competitive will, but the body isn't quite capable of doing what the brain wants it to do. Still might go though. I think the only definites are Henshaw and Slade.
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I think Ringer won't make it at 13. If Tuilagi doesn't make it back from injury in time, then I see Aki travelling with Henshaw outside him at 13 being the Test with Slade and Jonathan Davies also touring.
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Ringrose just doesn't have the body of work this year, neither does Ryan (ireland have two locks with better 2021s), and I don't think Gatland is even considering Sexton seriously - durability is a major issue with a diminished squad. Tough break as on talent all three should be travelling. As should Kelleher.

Don't really see it with Aki either to be honest
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I think Kelleher will tour and be on the test side. Furlong, Porter, Ryan, Beirne, Cooney, Murray, Henshaw, and Aki should also be confident of being selected.

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An odd seasons body of work for players. Henshaw and furlong only nailed on in my view. Beirne, Stander, Hendo, Ryan, Ringrose, Josh, keenan, Murray, Porter in contention. J10 if his head hasn't fallen off.

A year or two ago you'd have said Ryan was cast iron and Larmour on the right trajectory and you'd never have called Beirne. Shows how quickly the game moves.
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I think Tadgh Beirne will definitely get it

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Lock9541 wrote:
May 5th, 2021, 11:10 am
I think Tadgh Beirne will definitely get it
He's certainly on most people's list and he has the advantage of being versatile. But... I worry that as a lock he's just too lightweight against the Saffers. And as a second row / 6 he is vying with Itoje and Henderson. I can see one crossover back 5, possibly 2 - but can't see 3. So then I wonder does he justify it as a 6? Suddenly he's not so versatile as he is essentially a pure 6 - and there's going to be some specialist 7's so being a specialist 6 might be a stretch - possibly.

We'll see - but I don't think he's as clear cut as some are making out
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Beirne will go for sure but he is much more likely to be a 6 than a second row for the test team just isn't big enough

There are loads of out standing 7s but not really a stand out 6. Beirne work at the breakdown sets him apart , plus he will be a good counter for the height at the tail of the bok line out so for me he should start at 6

I'd guess Beirne 6 Curry 7 Toby f 8 will be our test back row, anyone from Waston,Navidi,Tipuric Billy v or Stander could be the bench option they each have strengths and each have weaknesses.

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The Doc wrote:
May 5th, 2021, 12:24 pm
Lock9541 wrote:
May 5th, 2021, 11:10 am
I think Tadgh Beirne will definitely get it
He's certainly on most people's list and he has the advantage of being versatile. But... I worry that as a lock he's just too lightweight against the Saffers. And as a second row / 6 he is vying with Itoje and Henderson. I can see one crossover back 5, possibly 2 - but can't see 3. So then I wonder does he justify it as a 6? Suddenly he's not so versatile as he is essentially a pure 6 - and there's going to be some specialist 7's so being a specialist 6 might be a stretch - possibly.

We'll see - but I don't think he's as clear cut as some are making out
I don't know that I'd call Henderson a hybrid 6/second row any more. It's a long time since he's done that, and he's had a lot of injury in the meantime that has affected his mobility. Maybe Itoje, but even then, he doesn't play at 6 anymore.
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No Sexton, Ringrose or Ryan

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That backs selection is going to play the most basic shite rugby the mind can possibly imagine.

Didn't think he'd go but I'm gutted for Healy in particular. He couldn't have been more unfortunate with the timing of his injuries/age over the last four tours, should have been a test lion on several occasions.

Can't imagine how low Johnny, Ryan, and Ringrose are right now.

Delighted for Conan, didn't see that coming but he's had a great couple of months and that's an unbelievable comeback from a long time out.

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Absolutely shite squad that.

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Delighted for Jack Conan and Bundee Aki

Gutted for the other lads - presume some of them will be holidaying in Lesotho entirely coincidentally
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Disappointed for Gary, Johnny and James but I can understand their omission. Form simply isn't there this year.

Had a feeling that Porter would go and Conan was a no brainer for me. He's been class since his return from injury.

Aki I didn't see that one coming. Delighted for him.

Edit: The backrow selection looks a little meh. Will really need one or two of those players to hit good form for it to work.
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I feel bad for the lads who must've been close - Sexton, Ryan, Ringrose being the obvious - but from a purely selfish point of view I'm a little relieved. I think Sexton and Ryan in particular wouldn't benefit from playing on that tour right now, and I care far more about Leinster and Ireland than the Lions.

Well done to Jack Conan, I think he's a smart choice but I'm surprised Stander missed out. Aki is another clever pick.

I think we'll be relying on Alalaatoa heavily early next season as the other two lads recover from a brutally physical tour.

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Logorrhea wrote:
May 6th, 2021, 12:54 pm

Aki I didn't see that one coming. Delighted for him.
Manu-lite I assume. I think we may know the tactics already
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Some absolutely mad calls in there.

A lot of fairly medicore rugby players going in my view.

Delighted for Jack though! Big vindication for him!

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Aki will get a red card on tour guaranteed
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Dave Cahill wrote:
May 6th, 2021, 12:52 pm
Delighted for Jack Conan and Bundee Aki

Gutted for the other lads - presume some of them will be holidaying in Lesotho entirely coincidentally
Not with covid they won't.

Imagine if Henshaw gets injured, the backs for a Lions test in SA could be Murray, Farrell, Aki, and Harris :lol:

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