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paddyor wrote:
April 3rd, 2021, 12:39 am
Oldschoolsocks wrote:
April 2nd, 2021, 7:51 pm
paddyor wrote:
April 2nd, 2021, 7:16 pm

The average person is quite often a moron though and just as prone to self interest as anyone ....not average. They're the last person you should be asking really. Not sure what makes teachers "undeserving" but I don't think deserving as anything to do with it. Like if you wanted to be really aggressive and suppress the virus you'd hive off a portion of the doses for LEAs with high incidence rates (mostly North Dublin) and start working thru age cohorts there. That'd get case numbers right down.
I’m actually not at all bothered that some teachers got doses that may have gone to waste, get it in as many arms ASAP as far as I’m concerned. Correct me if I’m wrong here, I believe that there is a protocol in place as to how to administer “leftover” doses and the master of the hospital deciding that he can decide who gets this by himself is not in the protocol.

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Unless there's some sort of perfectly curated list of people for the dose then it is for him to decide. And there's not, even the list they have is at best patchy(see the Daily mail article) Applicants have essentially self selected themselves to be in "X" cohort. And it's always going to be for someone to decide. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Fair enough paddy, so they’re following the underrated “loosey goosey” governance model...

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The Doc wrote:
April 2nd, 2021, 9:57 pm
Would you be more bothered if... Let's make up a scenario... Somebody arranged for vaccinations for their kids teachers (And only the teachers of their kids) when those teachers will in effect be determining the leaving cert assessment this year when one of the kids is doing the leaving

It's not the use of the spare vaccines... I agree, better they are used somehow... It's treating them like all Ireland tickets to be handed out as gifts... like a car salesman

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No. I don't care. I do think the current LC set up is daft and vaccine or no is open to this kind of manipulation anyway. It's already politically interefered with. But ultimately it's an effective workaround and likely 90% or over accurate so whatever I suppose.

Separately from the teachers and the "63 old cancer patient who works for the VHI" there's a rumour the BEacon fella was effectively doling out the vaccines to high fliers like as you say match tickets. SO maybe the former are an indicator of the latter and I do have a problem with the ;atter. But ultimately I come back to the view that we're past or passing the point where quantity is the more important metic than qulaity. So a little bit of benign corruption or even a little more sinsiter doesn't bother me.
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Oldschoolsocks wrote:
April 3rd, 2021, 12:48 am
Fair enough paddy, so they’re following the underrated “loosey goosey” governance model...
They're frontline heroes and all but ultimately it's still the HSE. Now tbf at least we didn't go down the New York road of massive fines and jail time for deviating from the "list". And the ISraelis have demostrated the effectiveness of the lossey goosey model. They were pulling in pizza delivery guys passing by to get it done(maybe they got a free pizza the next day but really who cares)
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England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
Ruddock(c) 19/2 Tackles

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I see the teachers are out there proving my point that "average" people can't be trusted not to bend to self interest.
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paddyor wrote:
April 3rd, 2021, 3:32 am
Oldschoolsocks wrote:
April 3rd, 2021, 12:48 am
Fair enough paddy, so they’re following the underrated “loosey goosey” governance model...
They're frontline heroes and all but ultimately it's still the HSE. Now tbf at least we didn't go down the New York road of massive fines and jail time for deviating from the "list". And the ISraelis have demostrated the effectiveness of the lossey goosey model. They were pulling in pizza delivery guys passing by to get it done(maybe they got a free pizza the next day but really who cares)
It's not the HSE - it's not even someone with a medical background. It's the CEO, Michael Cullen - son of Des "Penny-Apples" Cullen - with zero medical background who had been using vaccines to sort out a number of groups ahead of the vaccine rollout (creche workers, school, VHI CEO etc) - despite reminders from the HSE to stick to vaccine schedule a few weeks previously.

Very different from the Israeli example which involved one or two spare vaccines at the end of a shift. It's not about the few vaccines here and there - I agree, much better to use them than not. He directed vaccines to teachers who will be involved in deciding his kids leaving cert grades / assessment.
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The Doc wrote:
April 6th, 2021, 2:44 pm
paddyor wrote:
April 3rd, 2021, 3:32 am
Oldschoolsocks wrote:
April 3rd, 2021, 12:48 am
Fair enough paddy, so they’re following the underrated “loosey goosey” governance model...
They're frontline heroes and all but ultimately it's still the HSE. Now tbf at least we didn't go down the New York road of massive fines and jail time for deviating from the "list". And the ISraelis have demostrated the effectiveness of the lossey goosey model. They were pulling in pizza delivery guys passing by to get it done(maybe they got a free pizza the next day but really who cares)
It's not the HSE - it's not even someone with a medical background. It's the CEO, Michael Cullen - son of Des "Penny-Apples" Cullen - with zero medical background who had been using vaccines to sort out a number of groups ahead of the vaccine rollout (creche workers, school, VHI CEO etc) - despite reminders from the HSE to stick to vaccine schedule a few weeks previously.

Very different from the Israeli example which involved one or two spare vaccines at the end of a shift. It's not about the few vaccines here and there - I agree, much better to use them than not. He directed vaccines to teachers who will be involved in deciding his kids leaving cert grades / assessment.
Well that’s a lot more serious

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The Doc wrote:
April 6th, 2021, 2:44 pm

It's not the HSE - it's not even someone with a medical background. It's the CEO, Michael Cullen - son of Des "Penny-Apples" Cullen - with zero medical background who had been using vaccines to sort out a number of groups ahead of the vaccine rollout (creche workers, school, VHI CEO etc) - despite reminders from the HSE to stick to vaccine schedule a few weeks previously.

Very different from the Israeli example which involved one or two spare vaccines at the end of a shift.
It's not about the few vaccines here and there - I agree, much better to use them than not. He directed vaccines to teachers who will be involved in deciding his kids leaving cert grades / assessment.
It is very different than the Israeli example becuase they had multiple distribution centres and weren't still in the process of hiring people 3 months into their vaccine rollout program(like us). The 2 or more doses is something repeated accross multiple centres so you can get well over 20 quite easily. You're never going to get 100% of people showing up for appointments and in our system we're prone to double bookings. Whereas ours is more centralized and increasingly I'm thinking it's a bit of a gravy train for GPs.

Much as my opinion of teachers has fallen in the past few weeks and particualy after their appeal on twitter, I don't think they have that low a self worth. He has no leverage over them(they did nothing wrong) and they've no reason to cheat multiple times over the course of how many years in how many subjects?. I think you're readin too much into that aspect. And the fact he's Bill Cullens son suggests this is more a Billy Big Balls thing.
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
Ruddock(c) 19/2 Tackles

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