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UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid reportedly conceded that the Omicron variant has spread so widely that the travel bans serve no purpose.
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UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid reportedly conceded that the Omicron variant has spread so widely that the travel bans serve no purpose.
do you think they should have tried in the first place Paddy?paddyor wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 5:55 pm Travel ban lifted in the UK.
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UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid reportedly conceded that the Omicron variant has spread so widely that the travel bans serve no purpose.
That depends.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 6:48 pmdo you think they should have tried in the first place Paddy?paddyor wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 5:55 pm Travel ban lifted in the UK.
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UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid reportedly conceded that the Omicron variant has spread so widely that the travel bans serve no purpose.
I did not know your real name was Paddy, I had always assumed your first name was Dunning for some reason...Oldschool wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 8:01 pmThat depends.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 6:48 pmdo you think they should have tried in the first place Paddy?paddyor wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 5:55 pm Travel ban lifted in the UK.
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If you are the government, yes because the opposition will say you're incompetent if you don't.
If you are the CMO yes because you have to do what can be referred to as the prudent thing to do and you have to make it abundantly clear that you are being cautious.
If you are........
Bet you didn't know my real name is Paddy.
Tried? I think they massively over reacted and events bore that out. They didn't do anything. It was known it was already here when they "swung into action".Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 6:48 pmdo you think they should have tried in the first place Paddy?paddyor wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 5:55 pm Travel ban lifted in the UK.
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UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid reportedly conceded that the Omicron variant has spread so widely that the travel bans serve no purpose.
Yeah it's a strange name alright.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 9:20 pmI did not know your real name was Paddy, I had always assumed your first name was Dunning for some reason...Oldschool wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 8:01 pmThat depends.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 14th, 2021, 6:48 pm
do you think they should have tried in the first place Paddy?
If you are the government, yes because the opposition will say you're incompetent if you don't.
If you are the CMO yes because you have to do what can be referred to as the prudent thing to do and you have to make it abundantly clear that you are being cautious.
If you are........
Bet you didn't know my real name is Paddy.
If you scroll back thru this thread you'll find an article or two saying there were cases in Israel, Belgium and IIRC a few in the UK. The Variant was date to around the start of November so it basically had a month to circulate unchecked. The ban was theatre and the Africans have every reason to feel aggrieved at "Operation lockout the diseased darkies". Why ban them and not like Belgium and Israel? And I'm glad Javid has had the guts to admit it the ban was useless. From an Irish perspective what exactly is the point in banning travel from SA and not you know the UK where it also was? Thats where it came here from btw. Unless you go full NZ travel restrictions won't stop the spread or even slow it. Thats been proven time and again. Once it's here it's conditions on the ground that determine R0.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 6:38 am Ok, so is there a non Twitter source that states that they knew at the time of putting the travel ban in place that “it was known that it was here”?
Also the article “South Africa was slapped with a travel ban” is one of the most tabloid journaly way of twisting the language I have seen in ages. I’m glad that the ppl who wrote that article aren’t in charge of health policy
1: admission of fault is a strength not a weaknesspaddyor wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 2:51 pmIf you scroll back thru this thread you'll find an article or two saying there were cases in Israel, Belgium and IIRC a few in the UK. The Variant was date to around the start of November so it basically had a month to circulate unchecked. The ban was theatre and the Africans have every reason to feel aggrieved at "Operation lockout the diseased darkies". Why ban them and not like Belgium and Israel? And I'm glad Javid has had the guts to admit it the ban was useless. From an Irish perspective what exactly is the point in banning travel from SA and not you know the UK where it also was? Thats where it came here from btw. Unless you go full NZ travel restrictions won't stop the spread or even slow it. Thats been proven time and again. Once it's here it's conditions on the ground that determine R0.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 6:38 am Ok, so is there a non Twitter source that states that they knew at the time of putting the travel ban in place that “it was known that it was here”?
Also the article “South Africa was slapped with a travel ban” is one of the most tabloid journaly way of twisting the language I have seen in ages. I’m glad that the ppl who wrote that article aren’t in charge of health policy
WRT the bolded, this was a politcal decision. And FYI the WHO advice on travel restrictions at the start of this was against travel restrictions as they disproportionately affected poorer countries(e.g. Ebola). It's interesting that "folow the experts" now means do what the govt says even when they come out and admit they were wrong 2 weeks later.
You didn't need hindsight to see this was piecemeal theatre and would fail. *raises hand*Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:34 pm 1: admission of fault is a strength not a weakness
2: this is a rapidly changing landscape
3: hindsight is 20:20
4: nobody or no country was “slapped with a travel ban”, that in itself is politically loaded language. Also, the WHO did not use this language to my knowledge.
5: the goal of the travel ban was to buy some time and slow down the number of cases, this did not work because of the much increased transmission rate if the new variant
6: it is a new variant, it even has a new name Omicron
7: initial reports indicate that this may be a milder variant but it is too early to say
8: apparently studies say you should consider increasing your vitamin D3 levels and get more sleep and exercise
so there haven't been multipe lockdowns where we had to stay within 5 km radius of our house and had to work from home ?paddyor wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:42 pmYou didn't need hindsight to see this was piecemeal theatre and would fail. *raises hand*Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:34 pm 1: admission of fault is a strength not a weakness
2: this is a rapidly changing landscape
3: hindsight is 20:20
4: nobody or no country was “slapped with a travel ban”, that in itself is politically loaded language. Also, the WHO did not use this language to my knowledge.
5: the goal of the travel ban was to buy some time and slow down the number of cases, this did not work because of the much increased transmission rate if the new variant
6: it is a new variant, it even has a new name Omicron
7: initial reports indicate that this may be a milder variant but it is too early to say
8: apparently studies say you should consider increasing your vitamin D3 levels and get more sleep and exercise
The WHO advise has generally been against lockdowns until this pandemic(that's why we didn't restrict travel in anyway until......when did we start to restrict travel?).
Highlighted the important part. Go back to the start of 2020 and th WHO were arguing against travel restrictions on China. And we didn't actually restrict international travel after Christmas 2020 which ended up a bit of a farce(and made no difference to the declining case rates. And yes we had some really dumb rules like the 2km and 5km rule which people ignored to suit themselves at regular intervals.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:49 pmso there haven't been multipe lockdowns where we had to stay within 5 km radius of our house and had to work from home ?paddyor wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:42 pmYou didn't need hindsight to see this was piecemeal theatre and would fail. *raises hand*Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:34 pm 1: admission of fault is a strength not a weakness
2: this is a rapidly changing landscape
3: hindsight is 20:20
4: nobody or no country was “slapped with a travel ban”, that in itself is politically loaded language. Also, the WHO did not use this language to my knowledge.
5: the goal of the travel ban was to buy some time and slow down the number of cases, this did not work because of the much increased transmission rate if the new variant
6: it is a new variant, it even has a new name Omicron
7: initial reports indicate that this may be a milder variant but it is too early to say
8: apparently studies say you should consider increasing your vitamin D3 levels and get more sleep and exercise
The WHO advise has generally been against lockdowns until this pandemic(that's why we didn't restrict travel in anyway until......when did we start to restrict travel?).
jaysis - that's some bridge you're trying to sell me there Paddy
Ironically, I had some sympathy with Colm McHenry on the masks thing. I think he was right it would make people feel safe but I don't think at the time he realised back in April 2020 we'd be in this for 2 years. Like people would need some way to go about things and feel safe. that Hand washing is pure theatre. Think it was estimated as 5% of infections which is meaningless, though again it probably does help people feel safer.Oldschool wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:53 pm What, from day one, has been sadly missing is real information that can actually help the public.
For example, don't wear masks, they'll make no difference and even when that was obviously patent nonsense there was a reluctance to change the message.
Even still, wash your hands gets equal air time even tho' the number one thing anyone can do to protect themselves is wear a mask (assuming they aren't going isolate themselves from the rest of humanity).
Ah f^ck no, he's on about it again.
Well yes, I walked into my local pharmacy yesterday.
Not only was the pharmacist wearing what looked like an N95 mask but he was wearing a disposable mask over it.
The pharmacist is a young man and is in tune with what is going on in the community.
So why the two masks.
Three reasons, he's giving vaccinations and he's of the opinion that Omicron is more infectious and it's virus season (what used to be called the flu season).
Bottom line I'll listen to what my pharmacist has to say over what the CMO would have to say any day of the week.
So wear your mask and if you can fit it wear two if you regard the situation warrants it.
Right now aside from COVID but in addition to it, the authorities should be driving home the message about wearing makes because not only does it protect against COVID it will reduce the incidence of Flu and other respiratory illness this winter.
Get the message out there and give over the nuancing.
fixed that one for you.paddyor wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:58 pmHighlighted the important part. Go back to the start of 2020 and the WHO were arguing against travel restrictions on China. And we didn't actually restrict international travel after Christmas 2020 which ended up a bit of a farce(and made no difference to the declining case rates. And yes we had some really dumb rules like the 2km and 5km rule which some really f%~king selfish aresholes ignored to suit themselves at regular intervals.Oldschoolsocks wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:49 pmso there haven't been multipe lockdowns where we had to stay within 5 km radius of our house and had to work from home ?paddyor wrote: ↑December 15th, 2021, 4:42 pm
You didn't need hindsight to see this was piecemeal theatre and would fail. *raises hand*
The WHO advise has generally been against lockdowns until this pandemic(that's why we didn't restrict travel in anyway until......when did we start to restrict travel?).
jaysis - that's some bridge you're trying to sell me there Paddy