Fiscal Treaty Referendum

[Peg Leg]

Voting yes will create Jobs?.........
Voting no will be a protest vote against water charges?...........
Voting yes will impress the market?.........
Voting no will save jobs?.........

I wish the debate would actually focus on facts, whilst I haven't read it or may not full understand it yet, the media direction on this from government and the media itself has been abysmal.
I hope to get around to reading this in full:
Link to the Treaty text

I am voting yes- For me, we are fiscally shafted already and i would prefer to continue the ongoing austerity in an orderly fashion with the "security" of the ESF to extend loans or re-mortgage the country.

Listening to the breakfast show (NT) yesterday, Shane Coleman was interviewing the head of the TEEU. He asked the union rep
"Surely you don't want to go back to a time where the government is telling Aer Lingus to hire staff, in an effort to boost their employment figures?"....
TEEU moustache: "Would that be such a bad thing?"

I nearly broke my radio. I think all of the unions trying to make a protest vote out of this are being a little bit too self interested!

[TerenureJim]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

[Peg Leg]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

I'd entertain all opinions that stand to reason, I'm just not hearing many strong reasons..... barring your one!

[johng]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

Sounds a bit like that tosser who paid his household charge cause Boyd Barrett said not to.

If Sinn Féin were anti homosexuality, would you shag Brian Kennedy?

[jezzer]

Never take the first offer on the table.

[ad nauseam]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

Sounds a bit like that tosser who paid his household charge cause Boyd Barrett said not to.

If Sinn Féin were anti homosexuality, would you shag Brian Kennedy?

Would never happen. They're always on the right side of right-on.

[ad nauseam]

Never take the first offer on the table.

Doesn't matter this time. It's the only one we're going to get.

[Peg Leg]

Never take the first offer on the table.

Bit risky if the 1st offer is "all or nothing".

[Darce]

I literally have a f%~king rashers what is in this treaty.

Referendum commission are now a joke on an institution

[fourthirtythree]

Never take the first offer on the table.

Amen brother. That's what lenihan did. Muppet.

[simplythebest]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

Sounds a bit like that tosser who paid his household charge cause Boyd Barrett said not to.

If Sinn Féin were anti homosexuality, would you shag Brian Kennedy?

What if the choice was Brian Kennedy or Mary Lou?

[johng]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

Sounds a bit like that tosser who paid his household charge cause Boyd Barrett said not to.

If Sinn Féin were anti homosexuality, would you shag Brian Kennedy?

What if the choice was Brian Kennedy or Mary Lou?

Mary Lou may be many things but at least she's a woman. I'm a bit worried about you there simply, that you would even hesitate for a second.

[sid]

One word.

Aurelien Rougerie.

[simplythebest]

Sounds a bit like that tosser who paid his household charge cause Boyd Barrett said not to.

If Sinn Féin were anti homosexuality, would you shag Brian Kennedy?

What if the choice was Brian Kennedy or Mary Lou?

Mary Lou may be many things but at least she's a woman. I'm a bit worried about you there simply, that you would even hesitate for a second.

Nah, no fear John. I just threw that out there to see if there were any takers!!

[ronk]

You didn't think the thread was unpleasant enough already?

[Slipper1]

The online lads & lassies in The Journal have put together a document where they have translated the EU 'lingo' on the treaty into laymans language, it's a much simpler way to understand it.

Here... http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2012/03/ ... ompact.pdf

[Sauvignon Blank]

Sinn Féin says vote No I think they've just made my mind up for a Yes.

Sounds a bit like that tosser who paid his household charge cause Boyd Barrett said not to.

If Sinn Féin were anti homosexuality, would you shag Brian Kennedy?

[FrankBurke]

Voting yes because when the dust settles on the current financial crisis our politicians will have control over our budget. The treaty stipulates a small budget deficit, without it our political masters have the temptation (to which they will succumb!) to run up large deficits in pre-election years to bribe the electorate. So, to be blunt, I don't trust our politicians to behave responsibly.

And.....if the Shinners are against the treaty then I'm for it.

[fourthirtythree]

Voting yes because when the dust settles on the current financial crisis our politicians will have control over our budget. The treaty stipulates a small budget deficit, without it our political masters have the temptation (to which they will succumb!) to run up large deficits in pre-election years to bribe the electorate. So, to be blunt, I don't trust our politicians to behave responsibly.

And.....if the Shinners are against the treaty then I'm for it.

So... you think we ran up a big deficit and that's what happened? You don't have access to a something like say Google by any chance do you? You might want to spark that up and have a look at the actual numbers. It might be enlightening for you. Good places to look are the OECD, ESRI, CSO, and Eurostat. IMF have a good stats section too.

The government bought the electorate here alright, the problem wasn't the deficit though - we were the poster boys of Europe (along with Spain) for not running up deficits. We had this thing called a property bubble. It's quite different. This fiscal treaty does nothing to solve that and instead sets up a rigid regime to fix a problem that didn't exist. There has still been no attempt to deal with capital flow trumping all other considerations (thank you Peter Sutherland) or allowing banks to fail. In other words this fiscal treaty will fix none of the problems (apart from Greece's) and will be a noose tightening around our neck as the depression deepens. It's utterly suicidal. I sometimes despair at our German overlords and their ultimately self-defeating cynicism.

[StrangeButBlue]

The online lads & lassies in The Journal have put together a document where they have translated the EU 'lingo' on the treaty into laymans language, it's a much simpler way to understand it.

Here... http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2012/03/ ... ompact.pdf

Thanks for the link. It's a bit like getting Peig translated in full when I would prefer the twitter version.