Munster Rugby 2021/2022 - Search for the Holy Grail

[ronk]

Racist is a bit strong. Salanoa was recruited from America and isn't a product of the Leinster underage system. I think that's the reference to actual Leinster players.

Bit early to say that last year's pattern is repeating because it's just 1 game. It does look like a chance being missed.

[munster#1]

Imagine being Salanoa and be riding pine in a preseason match which is two Munster teams playing against each other, instead of probably starting a preseason match next week for Leinster given he was higher rated than our current 3rd choice TH.

Leinster player moves directly to Munster and their career suffers non shocker.

On the “Flip” side, Patterson and Osborne (actual Leinster players) are starting whereas had they stayed with Leinster they would likely be prepping for AIL action.

Nice of them to get some time considering everyone ahead of them is on international rest. Probably one of the few times we'll see them this season.

And Salanoa was an actual Leinster player, or are you just being a bit racist now?

There is no need for a comment like that.
You my friend have gone way too far with that accusation.

[FLIP]

On the “Flip” side, Patterson and Osborne (actual Leinster players) are starting whereas had they stayed with Leinster they would likely be prepping for AIL action.

Nice of them to get some time considering everyone ahead of them is on international rest. Probably one of the few times we'll see them this season.

And Salanoa was an actual Leinster player, or are you just being a bit racist now?

There is no need for a comment like that.
You my friend have gone way too far with that accusation.

Justify how he wasn't an actual Leinster player then, seeing as he actually played for the senior side. You make a remark about how he wasn't an actual Leinster player without backing that up with why you think that, don't be surprised if other people reach conculsions about what you've said that you don't like.

[wixfjord]

Justify how he wasn't an actual Leinster player then, seeing as he actually played for the senior side. You make a remark about how he wasn't an actual Leinster player without backing that up with why you think that, don't be surprised if other people reach conculsions about what you've said that you don't like.

Becuase he didn't come through the Leinster system. I'd say that's fairly obvious.

I don't agree, but it's hardly a crazy point.

You're acting the eejit here with racism accusations. Cop on.

[FLIP]

Justify how he wasn't an actual Leinster player then, seeing as he actually played for the senior side. You make a remark about how he wasn't an actual Leinster player without backing that up with why you think that, don't be surprised if other people reach conculsions about what you've said that you don't like.

Becuase he didn't come through the Leinster system. I'd say that's fairly obvious.

I don't agree, but it's hardly a crazy point.

You're acting the eejit here with racism accusations. Cop on.

If he played for Leinster he was a Leinster player. Saying he didn't come through the system is very close to saying he wasn't a valid player because he was foreign. Which is definitely racist. The onus is on munster#1 to explain himself as there's definitely the possibility of racism.

Should people not stand up to racism when they see or suspect it?

[Oldschoolsocks]

Justify how he wasn't an actual Leinster player then, seeing as he actually played for the senior side. You make a remark about how he wasn't an actual Leinster player without backing that up with why you think that, don't be surprised if other people reach conculsions about what you've said that you don't like.

Becuase he didn't come through the Leinster system. I'd say that's fairly obvious.

I don't agree, but it's hardly a crazy point.

You're acting the eejit here with racism accusations. Cop on.

If he played for Leinster he was a Leinster player. Saying he didn't come through the system is very close to saying he wasn't a valid player because he was foreign. Which is definitely racist. The onus is on munster#1 to explain himself as there's definitely the possibility of racism.

Should people not stand up to racism when they see or suspect it?

FWIW FLIP, it would be incredibly uncharitable to say m#1 was being racist here. A more charitable view would be that he was trying to setup some kind of gotcha, maybe to say James Ryan was actually a Munster player because he played for Munster before playing for Leinster or some other such nonsense.

The argument that he was referring to him not coming through the Leinster System does not hold water though, he was a Leinster player by virtue of the fact that he was contracted to and played for Leinster

[heno]

Saying he didn't come through the system is very close to saying he wasn't a valid player because he was foreign. Which is definitely racist. The onus is on munster#1 to explain himself as there's definitely the possibility of racism.

Should people not stand up to racism when they see or suspect it?

Yeah but you need to actually see it though. What you are describing is xenophobia not racism.

For the record, I don't suspect m#1 of either.

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[munster#1]

I am glad to see sense from all other people.
My comment was not a racist comment in any way, shape or form. If someone can jump straight to racism based on that comment then it is more of a reflection of them than me.

I am not going to try to justify myself for not being a racist, as this would be a futile and dangerous discussion to enter.

I made a tongue in cheek comment as a follow up to another tongue in cheek comment made by Flip.

This discussion should be ended right now.

[Oldschoolsocks]

We need a sarcasm font

[deco]

Imagine being Salanoa and be riding pine in a preseason match which is two Munster teams playing against each other, instead of probably starting a preseason match next week for Leinster given he was higher rated than our current 3rd choice TH.

Leinster player moves directly to Munster and their career suffers non shocker.

On the “Flip” side, Patterson and Osborne (actual Leinster players) are starting whereas had they stayed with Leinster they would likely be prepping for AIL action.

Nice of them to get some time considering everyone ahead of them is on international rest. Probably one of the few times we'll see them this season.

And Salanoa was an actual Leinster player, orare you just being a bit racist now?

What a ridiculous comment. Cop on.

[dropkick]

Justify how he wasn't an actual Leinster player then, seeing as he actually played for the senior side. You make a remark about how he wasn't an actual Leinster player without backing that up with why you think that, don't be surprised if other people reach conculsions about what you've said that you don't like.

Becuase he didn't come through the Leinster system. I'd say that's fairly obvious.

I don't agree, but it's hardly a crazy point.

You're acting the eejit here with racism accusations. Cop on.

If he played for Leinster he was a Leinster player. Saying he didn't come through the system is very close to saying he wasn't a valid player because he was foreign. Which is definitely racist. The onus is on munster#1 to explain himself as there's definitely the possibility of racism.

Should people not stand up to racism when they see or suspect it?

Might be better to quit while your behind.

[betty swallocks]

Apparently Salanoa had a slight injury setback earlier this week which has led him to start on the bench.

[FLIP]

Becuase he didn't come through the Leinster system. I'd say that's fairly obvious.

I don't agree, but it's hardly a crazy point.

You're acting the eejit here with racism accusations. Cop on.

If he played for Leinster he was a Leinster player. Saying he didn't come through the system is very close to saying he wasn't a valid player because he was foreign. Which is definitely racist. The onus is on munster#1 to explain himself as there's definitely the possibility of racism.

Should people not stand up to racism when they see or suspect it?

Might be better to quit while your behind.

If you're happy with racist dogwhistles then that says more about you than me.

[limecat]

Seriously, I think you're the only one who sees the comment as being in any way racist. Every poster responding has disagreed with you and backed m#1 up. Even deco is siding with the Munster supporter here, which is a first.

[Oldschoolsocks]

So we’re all agreed that Salanoa is an ex Leinster Player and his move down south to the Shelbyvillians looks like a poor one for him.

That’s a decent enough way to wrap up on a Friday.

So any thoughts on Mayo or Tyrone for the Sam?

[Oldschool]

Seriously, I think you're the only one who sees the comment as being in any way racist. Every poster responding has disagreed with you and backed m#1 up. Even deco is siding with the Munster supporter here, which is a first.

He's just having a slow day.

[ronk]

Anyway back to the rugby, the real reason Salanoa isn't starting is they want to balance the squad to avoid having Leinster B vs South African flavoured sides.

[munster#1]

I wasn’t at the game, but was talking to a friend who was, and the word is that Patterson had a great game and looks to be an exciting prospect.

Kendellan also had a very good game.

[Laighin Break]

That's good to hear about Kendellan. From all I heard and read about him during the u20s, he seemed to be running the show and I expect this Munster game was another step up (?)
Hopefully he gets a bit of exposure this year, and Hodnett too - who seems to have been almost forgotten about with the emergence of Kendellan, and Coombes' great season

[munster#1]

That's good to hear about Kendellan. From all I heard and read about him during the u20s, he seemed to be running the show and I expect this Munster game was another step up (?)
Hopefully he gets a bit of exposure this year, and Hodnett too - who seems to have been almost forgotten about with the emergence of Kendellan, and Coombes' great season

If Kendellan can fulfil his promise, and unfortunately this is never a given, the Munster and Ireland will have a serious talent at their disposal.
He reminds me a lot of D Wallace, but Kendellan has the added talent of being a leader.

Unfortunately Hodnett had a very untimely injury last season, just as it looked like he might get a good run of games.
This could be a massive season for Hodnett. If he can remain fit, then he should see a fair few minutes.