Munster Rugby - Semi Conscious, the Series Finale??? - 2020/21

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Re: Munster Rugby - Semi Conscious, the Series Finale??? - 2020/21

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munster#1 wrote:
February 20th, 2021, 7:30 pm
Big game for Munster tonight, not a given in any way, but I expect that Munster team to have enough to shade a victory.

Excited to see Conway back, if he can regain last seasons form then he won’t be far from the Irish match day squad.

Hoping for a big game from Casey
Good first half for Munster. Casey is playing well again and Cloete has been a handful at the breakdowns.

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munster#1 wrote:
February 19th, 2021, 7:18 pm
The stats item get thrown a round a bit alright, but stats only give a part of a picture.
If a players role is to be the second man at every breakdown, then they will have a low tackle count and will likely be stuck at the bottom of a ruck for large portions of the game, meaning they will also have a low carry count.

What those 2 stats don’t show is that the second man into a ruck has assisted in providing clean and fast ball for the SH.

It is funny how people use stats to form an argument, when anti Heaslip fans would use his poor stats against him, stats were evil to Heaslip fans, and don’t paint the full picture.
It would appear that those same Heaslip fans are now happy to use stats again, but in defence of their argument that POM is useless.

To say that POM has benefited from every possible manner from coaches, pundits and journalists is a bit odd.
You are essentially stating that these experienced, respected and well paid rugby professionals are all wrong, but how could so many so called experts all be wrong?
Well they do put a metric on measurable actions.

Murray Kinsella/Demented Mole have done articles noting and giving value to being present at rucks and being positively active at rucks I think. These stats aren't terribly hard to find if looked for either.

Heaslip's detractors seemed to only care about carry metres from memory which wouldn't flatter many Irish 8s in recent times.

I'm not saying they're wrong. I was more partly indicating my own ignorance/lack of judgement but stats aren't necessarily the thing that illustrates it. It's things that seem less tangible. If POM's stats were great it'd be obvious how I was wrong.

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Happy to take the win last night, but it feels like a BP that got away.

The Munster scrum was again very strong, as was the lineout despite the conditions.

Casey put real zip on the ball, and was very good for his try, and was so close to getting a second.
IMO he is the future for Ireland, and should see minutes against Italy.

Chris Farrell had a very good game, and should also be considered for action against Italy.

The most enjoyable element of the team was the Munster backrow, as a unit that was the most balanced combination we have seen for a good while.
It is amazing to have players of their abilities available during the 6 nations.
JOD once again had an amazing game, put in some hard graft, and took his try very well.
Cloete was a menace at the breakdown, and is a real groundhog 7.
But the real standout was Coombes. His energy, strength and skill put him as one of the best in the country IMO.
I still can’t understand how he was released from the Irish squad prior to the French game.

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Haven't seen the game but is it Coombes's mobility and consequent open field tackling they're worried about? He did miss one against Clermont. Sending him away from the squad looks strange just looking in from the outside.

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munster#1 wrote:
February 21st, 2021, 11:10 am
Happy to take the win last night, but it feels like a BP that got away.

The Munster scrum was again very strong, as was the lineout despite the conditions.

Casey put real zip on the ball, and was very good for his try, and was so close to getting a second.
IMO he is the future for Ireland, and should see minutes against Italy.

Chris Farrell had a very good game, and should also be considered for action against Italy.

The most enjoyable element of the team was the Munster backrow, as a unit that was the most balanced combination we have seen for a good while.
It is amazing to have players of their abilities available during the 6 nations.
JOD once again had an amazing game, put in some hard graft, and took his try very well.
Cloete was a menace at the breakdown, and is a real groundhog 7.
But the real standout was Coombes. His energy, strength and skill put him as one of the best in the country IMO.
I still can’t understand how he was released from the Irish squad prior to the French game.
O’Donoghue seemed to cause an awful disruption on line out ball too. That’s the best I’ve seen him in a while. Great to see as he has a high ceiling and is just a likeable player. Casey was very clever to win that free kick at the scrum and looked really sharp with all the body language stuff. His actual play...he got snaffled a few times, but there’s no doubt he is a livewire and I enjoy watching him play too.

I though Hanrahan outplayed his opposite number too. When Munster do go to move it he looked impressive and generally he does his part of the deal. Also thought Munster moved well towards the end when they were going for the bonus point with the pressure off. That was all their players looking to play and had Healy at 10.

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leinsterforever wrote:
February 21st, 2021, 2:33 pm
Haven't seen the game but is it Coombes's mobility and consequent open field tackling they're worried about? He did miss one against Clermont. Sending him away from the squad looks strange just looking in from the outside.
I hadn’t heard any reason for his release, so that is interesting, especially as I would imagine mobility would not be an issue for Coombes who regularly makes high number of carries, metres and tackles.

If this is true, then at least he has been given a clear work on, even if I am in disagreement with this assertion.

Have you a link to a source for this?

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No, just speculating.

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leinsterforever wrote:
February 21st, 2021, 4:22 pm
No, just speculating.
No bother. I was thinking that it was a bit odd given that defence and mobility would appear to be among his strengths.

Fairly sure he had the most tackles and carries last night, and must be one of the top for meters carried too.

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Joey is set to make his long awaited return to the rugby pitch.

What a great piece of news to hear.
I do not expect him to be anywhere near international standard right away, but given a few games and a lot of full on training, it would be great to have him back and ready to go at the start of next season.

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February 25th, 2021, 1:46 pm

I do not expect him to be anywhere near international standard right away, but given a few games and a lot of full on training, it would be great to have him back and ready to go at the start of next season.

I'd say if he can get through 20 mins without any issues it would be a win. Performance is pretty much irrelevant at this stage really
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The Doc wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 1:57 pm

I'd say if he can get through 20 mins without any issues it would be a win. Performance is pretty much irrelevant at this stage really
I agree. He has been out of rugby for so long that there will probably be some rustiness. I'm very happy to see him get back on the pitch. It has taken an awful long time and any time an injury extends that far you begin to fear the worst.

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hugonaut wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 2:40 pm
The Doc wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 1:57 pm

I'd say if he can get through 20 mins without any issues it would be a win. Performance is pretty much irrelevant at this stage really
I agree. He has been out of rugby for so long that there will probably be some rustiness. I'm very happy to see him get back on the pitch. It has taken an awful long time and any time an injury extends that far you begin to fear the worst.
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