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neill_m wrote: March 1st, 2022, 1:13 pm No promotion to the Premiership next season. Ealing and Doncaster failed to meet minimum standards. Largely based on not meeting 10,001+ capacity.
"Ealing Trailfinders does not currently have a licensed capacity, but the ground holds approximately 5,000 with 2,115 seats. "Doncaster Knights currently has a capacity of around 5,183 with 1,926 seats." says RFU, confirming it. They can appeal.

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Average home attendance so far this season - 5 sides less than the 10,001 magic mark.

Newcastle 5,471
Sale 6,146
Worcester 6,593
Saracens 7,473
London Irish 7,987

Other 8 clubs for comparison:

Wasps 10,090
Exeter 11,931
Gloucester 13,044
Saints 13,327
Harlequins 13,823
Bath 13,828
Bristol 17,980
Tigers 20,129

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Attendances might take a while to recover in rugby.
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Premiership Rugby can confirm that it has concluded its investigation into Leicester Tigers’ Salary Cap compliance for the seasons 2016/17 to 2020/21.

In summary, the investigation initiated by Salary Cap Director Andrew Rogers, found that Leicester Tigers, and one or more club commercial partners, entered into arrangements whereby a third-party company made payments to the image rights companies of players. These payments should have been declared to the Salary Cap Director as salary, but they were not disclosed.

In each of the four seasons, the amount by which Leicester Tigers exceeded the Salary Cap was below the ‘Overrun’ limit above which a formal charge may be brought for an alleged breach of the regulations.

The club has accepted the findings, which means there will be no further disciplinary process or appeal. The level of fine imposed in these circumstances, known as an Overrun Tax, is calculated by a formula set out in the regulations.

As a result of the previously undisclosed payments now being counted as salary, the Salary Cap Director has determined that Tigers exceeded the Salary Cap by the following amounts:

2016/17: £147,750 (Senior Salary Cap £6,000,000; Overrun limit £325,000)
2017/18: £89,718.05 (Senior Salary Cap £6,400,000; Overrun limit £350,000)
2018/19: £55,886.69 (Senior Salary Cap £6,400,000; Overrun limit £350,000)
2019/20: £98,586.32 (Senior Salary Cap £6,400,000; Overrun limit £350,000)

During the relevant period, the Salary Cap Regulations stated that for the first £50,000 of Overrun, a club would pay a tax of £0.50 for every £1 of overspend. Beyond the first £50,000 and up to £200,000 of Overrun, the tax is £1 for every £1 of additional overspend.

Consequently, the breakdown of the Overrun Tax on Leicester Tigers is:

2016/17: £122,750
2017/18: £64,718.05
2018/19: £30,886.69
2019/20: £73,586.32

In addition, Leicester Tigers have been fined £17,900 for failing to disclose information about the above arrangements in the five seasons from 2016/17 to 2020/21.

In 2020/21 Tigers were fined for non-disclosure but there was no over-run of the Salary Cap.

This makes a total of £309,841.06 in fines and taxes.

Leicester Tigers Chief Executive Officer Andrea Pinchen said: “The club has co-operated with Premiership Rugby throughout the period of the investigation into historic salary cap spending. We accept the decision and the acknowledgement that there was no over-run in the most recent season of the review.

“We are thankful this matter has been brought to a conclusion and pleased that we can now focus all of our energy and efforts on the future of the club.”

Andrew Rogers, Premiership Rugby Salary Cap Director, said: “The review of Salary Cap Regulations provided stronger powers to monitor spending and investigate possible breaches of the cap in past seasons. Leicester Tigers have cooperated with my investigation and accepted the findings, which allows us to apply the sanctions detailed in the regulations. While we are satisfied that the arrangements which resulted in the overspend have been brought to an end, we will continue to assess all spending as part of our ongoing monitoring process at every club.”

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The most the breach was in any of the 4 years was 2.5% of the then £6MN annual cap and within the overrun limit.
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We have been fully investigated and found guilty of breaking the rules, a decision has been applied and we fully accept it and will pay up, it seems changes have been made to correct the problem, I can't expect any more than that, now need concentrate on moving the side forwards on the pitch.
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tigerburnie wrote: March 15th, 2022, 9:33 pm We have been fully investigated and found guilty of breaking the rules, a decision has been applied and we fully accept it and will pay up, it seems changes have been made to correct the problem, I can't expect any more than that, now need concentrate on moving the side forwards on the pitch.
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tigerburnie wrote: March 15th, 2022, 9:33 pm We have been fully investigated and found guilty of breaking the rules, a decision has been applied and we fully accept it and will pay up, it seems changes have been made to correct the problem, I can't expect any more than that, now need concentrate on moving the side forwards on the pitch.
Shockingly you were breaching the cap when you were pretty much playing the worst rugby of any Leicester side in living memory :D !

I see your back slugging it out at the top of the table these days, how highly do you rate young reffell?
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Oldschoolsocks wrote: March 15th, 2022, 11:12 pm
tigerburnie wrote: March 15th, 2022, 9:33 pm We have been fully investigated and found guilty of breaking the rules, a decision has been applied and we fully accept it and will pay up, it seems changes have been made to correct the problem, I can't expect any more than that, now need concentrate on moving the side forwards on the pitch.
Well said
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JB1973 wrote: March 16th, 2022, 1:25 pm
tigerburnie wrote: March 15th, 2022, 9:33 pm We have been fully investigated and found guilty of breaking the rules, a decision has been applied and we fully accept it and will pay up, it seems changes have been made to correct the problem, I can't expect any more than that, now need concentrate on moving the side forwards on the pitch.
Shockingly you were breaching the cap when you were pretty much playing the worst rugby of any Leicester side in living memory :D !

I see your back slugging it out at the top of the table these days, how highly do you rate young reffell?
Yes someone on one of our forums said we made a pi$$ poor job of cheating there lol.
We haven't won anything yet, but Borthwick has brought some of the old Tigers spirit back into the side, we know our DNA and are applying it, top of the table unbeaten at home is actually a bit more than I thought we might do in our first proper season under new management. Kevin Sinfield is a diamond along with fitness man Aled Walters are working miracles and the rest of the coaching team too. A lot of our own academy lads being used rather than let go and Tommy Reffell is one of many. We have seven players in the England squad for the weekend, so yes we are slugging it out in more familiar territory again.
Tommy is a bit of a worry, he is good enough to play for Wales but playing in England they won't pick him due to the restrictive Gatland's rule, I hope he stays, who knows he could play for England under residency rules I think.
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BBC News - Sale Sharks: South Africa pair Faf de Klerk and Lood de Jager to leave at end of season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61002889

Would be great to get both to a South African URC club.

At a guess having de Klerk in the URC would raise interest in SA and amongst casual fans across the other nations.
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IanD wrote: April 5th, 2022, 8:14 pm BBC News - Sale Sharks: South Africa pair Faf de Klerk and Lood de Jager to leave at end of season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61002889

Would be great to get both to a South African URC club.

At a guess having de Klerk in the URC would raise interest in SA and amongst casual fans across the other nations.
Both off to Japan according to the latest Rugby Pod with Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode.
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Ealing won the Championship on Saturday but as things stand will not be promoted. They are appealing the decision.
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neill_m wrote: April 5th, 2022, 8:19 pm
IanD wrote: April 5th, 2022, 8:14 pm BBC News - Sale Sharks: South Africa pair Faf de Klerk and Lood de Jager to leave at end of season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61002889

Would be great to get both to a South African URC club.

At a guess having de Klerk in the URC would raise interest in SA and amongst casual fans across the other nations.
Both off to Japan according to the latest Rugby Pod with Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode.
Fup it. Let's add them to the URC
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Some selection quandaries now, Harlequins away this weekend, if we win we are guaranteed a home semi final in the playoffs for the Championship, we then have a mid week semi final in the Premiership Cup, which is a development team, then we have the small matter of a home quarter final against Dublin's finest, not sure how we select the sides, with 2 players banned and a couple of injuries we are not stretched, add in Bristol visiting Welford Road as well, definitely getting busy.
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tigerburnie wrote:Some selection quandaries now, Harlequins away this weekend, if we win we are guaranteed a home semi final in the playoffs for the Championship, we then have a mid week semi final in the Premiership Cup, which is a development team, then we have the small matter of a home quarter final against Dublin's finest, not sure how we select the sides, with 2 players banned and a couple of injuries we are not stretched, add in Bristol visiting Welford Road as well, definitely getting busy.
Sounds a lot better than two games in South Africa

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Barry wrote: April 18th, 2022, 11:12 am
tigerburnie wrote:Some selection quandaries now, Harlequins away this weekend, if we win we are guaranteed a home semi final in the playoffs for the Championship, we then have a mid week semi final in the Premiership Cup, which is a development team, then we have the small matter of a home quarter final against Dublin's finest, not sure how we select the sides, with 2 players banned and a couple of injuries we are not stretched, add in Bristol visiting Welford Road as well, definitely getting busy.
Sounds a lot better than two games in South Africa

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tigerburnie wrote: April 18th, 2022, 12:31 pm But your first team won't be going though will they?
Correct. All our big players (apart form those recently injured) getting a two week break.
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Exactly. We have to either send them to the other side of the world or pull them for almost 3 weeks. And most of the coaching team will be away.
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Not too sure having South African teams in the league is working too well then, I know there was some discussion about the Premiership tying up with the South Africans but it was rejected due to the distances and logistics of it all. Have many fans travelled over there to watch any games?
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