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neill_m wrote: August 5th, 2024, 7:48 pm
MylesNaGapoleen wrote: August 5th, 2024, 7:27 pm True. Same for ravenhill, although I think they have lost kingspan as a sponsor.
It was due to end in June 2024, but was renewed for another season.
Fair enough. Wasn't aware of that.
I still can't call ravenhill, the Millennium or Murrayfield anything else.
Aviva has settled in, now, though.
Dave is right, it brings in more cash for the banks, but, I don't think I'm alone being slow to shake off old habits with stadia names.
I just don't get how the brands think they benefit.
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If it goes towards stopping them calling it 'HQ', then I'm all for it.
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jimbobjoe wrote: August 6th, 2024, 8:58 am If it goes towards stopping them calling it 'HQ', then I'm all for it.
"Allianz - HQ"
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The Doc wrote: August 6th, 2024, 9:10 am
jimbobjoe wrote: August 6th, 2024, 8:58 am If it goes towards stopping them calling it 'HQ', then I'm all for it.
"Allianz - HQ"
Nah, it'll be Allianz Home of Rugby!
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Allianz Arena is in Munich. Well enough known in England that it might feel a bit odd.

I'm a fan of good stadium shares. Not such a big fan of expensive stadia that are under used.
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Dave Cahill wrote: August 5th, 2024, 7:58 pm
MylesNaGapoleen wrote: August 5th, 2024, 6:39 pm Fans will always call it Twickenham and probably go out of their way to *not* call it the new name.
People like this are f%~king pricks. The same fuckwits want more bibs, cones, facilities, development officers, acadmey places, profesional players, overseas players, international players, international success and all they're asked for in return is to call it the Allianz/Aviva/Kingspan/Whatever Stadium.

Assholes

These same c**ts put Munster Rugby into a 15 million Euro hole that they're still trying to climb out of. They should have be banned Sine Die.

Pricks
Sounds like you're missing the rugby there a bit, Dave. Priceless comment, though!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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https://archive.ph/2024.09.02-110612/h ... rlequins/
Interesting preview of the new salary cap and comings and going’s of 4 clubs including or ICC opponents.
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paddyor wrote: September 2nd, 2024, 2:04 pm https://archive.ph/2024.09.02-110612/h ... rlequins/
Interesting preview of the new salary cap and comings and going’s of 4 clubs including or ICC opponents.
AJ McGinty is on £475,000??
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Flash Gordon wrote: September 2nd, 2024, 2:32 pm
paddyor wrote: September 2nd, 2024, 2:04 pm https://archive.ph/2024.09.02-110612/h ... rlequins/
Interesting preview of the new salary cap and comings and going’s of 4 clubs including or ICC opponents.
AJ McGinty is on £475,000??
:shock:

Also this:
Pat Lam told Telegraph Sport that the senior squad has been streamlined from 48 players to 36, a process encouraged by the shorter league schedule.

Harder for Leinster with our international numbers, but probably a marker for what other provinces could realistically do.
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Flash Gordon wrote: September 2nd, 2024, 2:32 pm
paddyor wrote: September 2nd, 2024, 2:04 pm https://archive.ph/2024.09.02-110612/h ... rlequins/
Interesting preview of the new salary cap and comings and going’s of 4 clubs including or ICC opponents.
AJ McGinty is on £475,000??
Yeah that caught my eye.
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
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Fair play to him

I wouldn't think he was that good but if he will get that salary good for him.
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From the Times

Steve Borthwick will have the power to dictate club selections for a small, elite group of his England players, as part of the new financial arrangement between the RFU and Premiership Rugby.

Under the new Professional Game Partnership (PGP), which enshrines the relationship between club and country — including the access to England players — the RFU will pay the Gallagher Premiership clubs £33million a year for the next four years.

The RFU, Premiership Rugby and — for the first time — the Rugby Players’ Association (RPA) have co-signed the deal, as reported by The Times in April, after 18 months of negotiations. By paying the clubs 53 per cent more than under the previous eight-year deal, the union has secured more control over the top-end England players.

A group of up to 25 England internationals will be signed up to a form of central contracts, called Enhanced Elite Player Squad deals (EPS), and their medical and strength and conditioning programmes will largely be run by Borthwick and England.

The centrally contracted players will receive a guaranteed sum of £150,000-£160,000 per year instead of their match fees, which are worth about £23,000 per game at present but are dependent on Test selection.

The finer details of these contracts have not been settled. So far only the England captain, Jamie George, and the Saracens lock, Maro Itoje, have been offered one in principle, but no player has officially signed a deal.

Announcing the new PGP agreement, the RFU and Premiership Rugby confirmed that Borthwick would have the power to dictate when players have surgery on injuries and their gym programmes.

“The England head coach will be able to select up to 25 players into the Enhanced EPS, ensuring optimum preparation for key international fixtures, and will have the final say on all sports science and medical matters relating to the management of Enhanced EPS players,” a joint RFU and Premiership Rugby statement read.

While that does not mean he will have the powers of Andy Farrell, the Ireland head coach, who can tell clubs to pick players in specific positions and push players to different Irish provinces to increase their game time, Borthwick will effectively be able to influence club selection.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... on-players

From the link above

"Other significant aspects of the deal include revamped academy structures, pathway systems and a commitment to promotion and relegation between the Premiership and the Championship via a two-legged playoff."
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IanD wrote: September 4th, 2024, 6:53 pm https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... on-players

From the link above

"Other significant aspects of the deal include revamped academy structures, pathway systems and a commitment to promotion and relegation between the Premiership and the Championship via a two-legged playoff."
That is not new. Problem was the requirement for the Championship winner to have a 10k capacity ground. Only Doncaster I think applied have a licence so to speak last season. They have apparently eased that rule to 5k and you have up to 4 years to get the capacity up to 10k.
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T'graph
Premiership considering merger with URC to form British and Irish league
Exclusive: Interest is said to be high among home-nation unions with a merger almost guaranteed to bolster commercial revenues
Gavin Mairs,
Chief Rugby Union Correspondent
12 September 2024 • 2:37pm

A proposal for a merger between the Premiership and the United Rugby Championship – which features teams from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Italy and South Africa – is being explored, Telegraph Sport can reveal.
The Premiership board is currently undertaking a strategic review to explore ways of increasing the value of future broadcasting deals ahead of going to market early next year for a new broadcasting deal for the start of the 2026 seasons, having signed a two-year deal with TNT earlier this year.
It is understood that the preference of the Premiership clubs, after a board meeting in London on Thursday morning, is the creation of a British and Irish league without the South African and Italian clubs part of the merger.
A proposal for an Anglo-Welsh league was also considered as part of a strategic review to seek ways of increasing the value, as was the impact of reducing the Premiership to eight clubs, or increasing it from 10 clubs to 12, 14 or 16 teams.
The British and Irish league option is said to have attracted the most interest however, given that it has the potential to drive the greatest commercial value – but it would also be the most complicated to achieve.
‘A very high bar has been set’
Telegraph Sport revealed the four home unions took part in discussions over the possibility of establishing a British and Irish league during the World Cup in France last year.
While the Rugby Football Union confirmed they would look at the proposals, there is understood to be strong support for combined competition within the Celtic unions.
Exploratory work to determine whether the concept was viable both from a commercial and sporting perspective was carried out and significantly CVC, the private equity firm that holds significant stakes in both Premiership Rugby and URC, were said to be open to the idea.
The discussions centred around examining competition structures and how that would potentially impact the value of the next broadcasting deal, at a time when the broadcast market has fractured and their values flatlined.
A document outlining options was issued to Premiership clubs last weekend ahead of the board meeting and it explored various options for league structures from 2026 when the international game is due to be restructured with the launch of the Nations Championship.

“It is what drives broadcasting rights and how does that impact on different decisions we can make over the short and medium,” said one source. “That includes looking at league structures.”
However, it is understood that Premiership Rugby would only consider making any changes to their league structure if there was a guarantee of a significant uplift in revenues.
“We have a very strong product and are in control of it so a very high bar has been set if we are to consider any changes,” said one source.
‘Nothing is ever off the table’
The impact of Welsh regions joining the league to potentially increase the league from 10 to 12 clubs was also discussed. The move, which would involve the Welsh regions leaving the United Rugby Championship, also has the support of some Premiership clubs because of the uplift it could have on gate revenues as well as it would renew the great Anglo-Welsh club rivalries that were so popular in the amateur era.
The clubs are already tapping into the Welsh market, with Bath and Bristol are due to play their Gallagher Premiership fixture at the Principality Stadium in Cardiff next May and Cardiff were also buoyed by attracting a sell-out crowd for their Investec Champions Cup defeats by Harlequins and Bath last season.
An Anglo-Welsh league was first proposed in 1999, when the Welsh Rugby Union controversially turned down the offer of five places in the top two divisions of English rugby.

Another source said that all options were on the table. “Good organisation and governance mandates that leagues, teams and all stakeholders within rugby should always be exploring ways to make the competitions in which they compete better,” said the source.
“So clearly over the forthcoming period, here will always be conversations about existing and potential competitions, about where for the benefit of fans, players and owners, we can make enhancements. So, nothing would ever be off the table.
“We are going into the new season off an incredibly exciting Premiership last year, including semi-finals and final that were one-score games. The standard has never been higher, so we feel we are in a good place.
“But we’re conscious that we also want externally to feel like there’s a pathway where that then results in improved economics, not just of our clubs and our games but likewise is a hope and expectation for other teams playing in other competitions. So we are all committed to exploring options.”
One of the previous sticking points to the concept of uniting the English Premiership and the URC has been the detrimental impact it would have on the European Champions Cup.
But one solution has been advanced for an ‘FA Cup-style’ knock-out competition involving clubs from the French Top 14 to ensure it retains its point of difference within a revised European domestic structure.
There is said to be support within the Welsh regions, who are struggling financially, for an Anglo-Welsh league, given the travel costs of participating in the United Rugby Championship, which includes sides from South Africa. A resumption of cross-border clashes would also be expected to increase attendances.
The Premiership clubs who are in support of a merger would also have to gain support among all 10 clubs. It is understood there are concerns as to whether a merger would drive up the value and also require the Premiership clubs to increase their squad sizes to cope with the extra fixtures.
This bit makes me laugh.
The standard has never been higher, so we feel we are in a good place.
Megaphone negotiating already.
No. You're not in a good place, You lost a quarter of your top flight clubs due to your dud league....mate.
You're in a bad place. That's why you're talking.
Oh. and CVC has a gun to your head.
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They are really good at having a negotiation with themselves - not unlike them debating whether they should rejoin the EU or have trade agreements without ever involving the other side

So they voted that a merger with the URC excluding the Italians and Saffers would be best - that's nice. Problem is that from an Irish perspective, we have probably gained more by having SA involvement in the league than having English teams would bring
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For me, the addition of the stronger South African teams has made the URC a far better competition. THey have improved Irish rugby by their presence, nowithstanding that Leinster have failed to get over the line.
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Why do they think it would increase broadcast revenues?

Sky aren't coming back, if TNT were interested they would have picked up URC rights long ago and then used their leverage.

A move like this wouldn't coexist with the Investec Cup. As you'd be killing it it would be best to do it immediately rather than let it limp on.

URC is successful because it found a way to have fewer, bigger games and preserve derbies. The prem is doing better with smaller squads, fewer broke teams.

How are Bristol-Cardiff or Swansea-Bath derbies gonna transform the game? It's niche.
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ronk wrote: September 13th, 2024, 10:59 am Why do they think it would increase broadcast revenues?
It's not like they operate in the realms of reality. Time and time again they've proven that and pushed on with their visions while being fuelled solely by bravado and the sounds of back-slapping in an echo chamber.
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jimbobjoe wrote: September 13th, 2024, 11:31 am
ronk wrote: September 13th, 2024, 10:59 am Why do they think it would increase broadcast revenues?
It's not like they operate in the realms of reality. Time and time again they've proven that and pushed on with their visions while being fuelled solely by bravado and the sounds of back-slapping in an echo chamber.
I see that the salary cap is the new relegation. "Oi mate, your league is sh!t cause it doesn't have relegation and promotion". Their league scraps relegation. "Oi mate, your league is sh!t cause it doesn't have a salary cap". They have a salary cap as the clubs can't be trusted to operate within their means.

URC should offer Leicester, Quins, Sarries and Bath a place in URC and we should get rid of the Welsh.
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