Munster Rugby 2021/2022 - Search for the Holy Grail

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LeRouxIsPHat wrote: May 12th, 2022, 3:16 pm I thought the Munster midfield was poor too, a good break by Farrell for the try but I can't remember much else and they were destroyed defensively. I think going toe to toe with Toulouse has skewed some people's perceptions of the performance, the reality is that turnovers and poor discipline were what kept them in the game for the most part. I commend them on that, they fought for everything and had some outstanding performances up front, but the idea that they're back is so wide of the mark. They've had some really encouraging performances recently and there are some great young prospects, but realistically their attack is still pretty average (some of the back moves on Saturday were incredibly poor) and the main improvement is to do with being hard to beat. I do wonder how much their improvement in attack has to do with teams not being prepared for it as well, it'll be interesting to see if teams are ready for it over the next while.

I don't agree with the idea that Joey should have stepped up for the kicking though. Healy is a brilliant kicker, just had a bad day. The long kick was a good strike and drop goal was close, I certainly didn't look at those kicks and think he'd be in trouble in the shoot out. As it turned out he did seem rattled but Joey had missed easy kicks during the game too so I still think it was the right call.
Healy is below 80% in the URC. That's not a brilliant kicker. And there is no questioning Joeys balls. The one from the halfway line agin the All Blacks shows that they are made of case hardened steel. They and the coaches came up with what they thought was the best plan for the shoot-out.
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Healy's early pro career was defined by heroic late kicks. There's a risk of chasing that high, but life isn't that fairytale. Maybe Munster would have been better set being more patient than going for the high profile kick.

You see it in American Football where a QB throws a scoring Hail Mary and then they keep doing it. You see it in golf too.

There was time after the long range penalty attempt. The sensible call was to play territory and build for a better chance.

Munster were lucky to get a third kicker on the pitch, absolutely blessed if they weren't gaming the system. Certainly the were able to put Murray on instead of Haley.
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This is ireland. If you're playing out half then you must take the kicks. Doesn't matter if there's a better kicker in another position.
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blockhead wrote: May 12th, 2022, 11:39 pm
LeRouxIsPHat wrote: May 12th, 2022, 3:16 pm I thought the Munster midfield was poor too, a good break by Farrell for the try but I can't remember much else and they were destroyed defensively. I think going toe to toe with Toulouse has skewed some people's perceptions of the performance, the reality is that turnovers and poor discipline were what kept them in the game for the most part. I commend them on that, they fought for everything and had some outstanding performances up front, but the idea that they're back is so wide of the mark. They've had some really encouraging performances recently and there are some great young prospects, but realistically their attack is still pretty average (some of the back moves on Saturday were incredibly poor) and the main improvement is to do with being hard to beat. I do wonder how much their improvement in attack has to do with teams not being prepared for it as well, it'll be interesting to see if teams are ready for it over the next while.

I don't agree with the idea that Joey should have stepped up for the kicking though. Healy is a brilliant kicker, just had a bad day. The long kick was a good strike and drop goal was close, I certainly didn't look at those kicks and think he'd be in trouble in the shoot out. As it turned out he did seem rattled but Joey had missed easy kicks during the game too so I still think it was the right call.
Healy is below 80% in the URC. That's not a brilliant kicker. And there is no questioning Joeys balls. The one from the halfway line agin the All Blacks shows that they are made of case hardened steel. They and the coaches came up with what they thought was the best plan for the shoot-out.
Yeah but I think that’s partly down to taking speculative kicks on because he has such a big boot. Kicking is his thing, that’s the whole reason he’s a pro outhalf. I think his passing game is a little underrated but his boot is his USP.
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LeRouxIsPHat wrote: May 13th, 2022, 9:46 am
blockhead wrote: May 12th, 2022, 11:39 pm
LeRouxIsPHat wrote: May 12th, 2022, 3:16 pm I thought the Munster midfield was poor too, a good break by Farrell for the try but I can't remember much else and they were destroyed defensively. I think going toe to toe with Toulouse has skewed some people's perceptions of the performance, the reality is that turnovers and poor discipline were what kept them in the game for the most part. I commend them on that, they fought for everything and had some outstanding performances up front, but the idea that they're back is so wide of the mark. They've had some really encouraging performances recently and there are some great young prospects, but realistically their attack is still pretty average (some of the back moves on Saturday were incredibly poor) and the main improvement is to do with being hard to beat. I do wonder how much their improvement in attack has to do with teams not being prepared for it as well, it'll be interesting to see if teams are ready for it over the next while.

I don't agree with the idea that Joey should have stepped up for the kicking though. Healy is a brilliant kicker, just had a bad day. The long kick was a good strike and drop goal was close, I certainly didn't look at those kicks and think he'd be in trouble in the shoot out. As it turned out he did seem rattled but Joey had missed easy kicks during the game too so I still think it was the right call.
Healy is below 80% in the URC. That's not a brilliant kicker. And there is no questioning Joeys balls. The one from the halfway line agin the All Blacks shows that they are made of case hardened steel. They and the coaches came up with what they thought was the best plan for the shoot-out.
Yeah but I think that’s partly down to taking speculative kicks on because he has such a big boot. Kicking is his thing, that’s the whole reason he’s a pro outhalf. I think his passing game is a little underrated but his boot is his USP.
That be my take too. Would like some slightly advanced stats on the difficulty of kicks taken on. Remember Chris Patterson getting praise for his amazing international stats, when it was Dan Parks who would be burdened with any of the more difficult yet still reasonable kicks approaching the 10 metre line.
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