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mildlyinterested wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:34 pm
blockhead wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:04 pm
ronk wrote: September 27th, 2021, 3:49 pm The dreaded "papering over the cracks"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rug ... 06900.html

There were so many dropped balls.
I dunno Ronk. They seem to have all their ducks in a row this season.
I think they are the team to beat tbh.
Well, them and Cardiff.
If they have Kleyn, Snyman and Jenkins in their pack along with Beirne & Coombes they could very well put the leinster pack under severe pressure ala La Rochelle and Saracens.
Are they changing the laws to get rid of front rows?
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mildlyinterested wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:34 pm
blockhead wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:04 pm
ronk wrote: September 27th, 2021, 3:49 pm The dreaded "papering over the cracks"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rug ... 06900.html

There were so many dropped balls.
I dunno Ronk. They seem to have all their ducks in a row this season.
I think they are the team to beat tbh.
Well, them and Cardiff.
If they have Kleyn, Snyman and Jenkins in their pack along with Beirne & Coombes they could very well put the leinster pack under severe pressure ala La Rochelle and Saracens.
Only one Munster man amongst that five - sad really.
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ronk wrote: September 27th, 2021, 6:51 pm
mildlyinterested wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:34 pm
blockhead wrote: September 27th, 2021, 5:04 pm

I dunno Ronk. They seem to have all their ducks in a row this season.
I think they are the team to beat tbh.
Well, them and Cardiff.
If they have Kleyn, Snyman and Jenkins in their pack along with Beirne & Coombes they could very well put the leinster pack under severe pressure ala La Rochelle and Saracens.
Are they changing the laws to get rid of front rows?
They could put Jenkins at blindside and Beirne at openside, I suppose.
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leinsterforever wrote: September 28th, 2021, 12:49 am
They could put Jenkins at blindside and Beirne at openside, I suppose.
The power game needs fresh legs, so they need subs.

I was actually talking about the way the Munster front row might be an issue.
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munster#1 wrote: September 26th, 2021, 1:13 pm
Oldschool wrote: September 26th, 2021, 12:02 pm Good start to the season for Munster but their backs aren't at the races.
Zebo - welcome back and I hope hope can make the difference.
Casey - needs to calm down a bit but plenty of potential.
Goggins - Sorry M1 but you need to re-evaluate.
Carberry - Worried - problem is that he doesn't have the players around him to exploit what he can bring to a game and he doesn't have a coach who seems interested in finding out.
Pack - Did very well.
Result - BP what's not to like.
Which backs would you single out as not being at the races and why?

Unfortunately, as I’ve already stated, that is a game which Goggin would be happy to be able to forget.

For me I can’t think of any other back who had a poor game, in fact, I think each of the other backs had good games.
In simplistic terms there is only one player in the Munster backs that I would pick ahead of a Leinster counterpart.
Zebo.
Casey would be a player of interest.
Carberry would be a gamble worth making.
Allied to that is a coach who is forward oriented.
As a result the backs are subservient to that philosophy rather than additive.
TBF it may be a little too early to be passing judgement but you asked the question.
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Oldschool wrote: September 28th, 2021, 10:33 am
munster#1 wrote: September 26th, 2021, 1:13 pm
Oldschool wrote: September 26th, 2021, 12:02 pm Good start to the season for Munster but their backs aren't at the races.
Zebo - welcome back and I hope hope can make the difference.
Casey - needs to calm down a bit but plenty of potential.
Goggins - Sorry M1 but you need to re-evaluate.
Carberry - Worried - problem is that he doesn't have the players around him to exploit what he can bring to a game and he doesn't have a coach who seems interested in finding out.
Pack - Did very well.
Result - BP what's not to like.
Which backs would you single out as not being at the races and why?

Unfortunately, as I’ve already stated, that is a game which Goggin would be happy to be able to forget.

For me I can’t think of any other back who had a poor game, in fact, I think each of the other backs had good games.
In simplistic terms there is only one player in the Munster backs that I would pick ahead of a Leinster counterpart.
Zebo.
Casey would be a player of interest.
Carberry would be a gamble worth making.
Allied to that is a coach who is forward oriented.
As a result the backs are subservient to that philosophy rather than additive.
TBF it may be a little too early to be passing judgement but you asked the question.
That is a different slant to take than saying that the players are not at the races.

Going through the backline on display from Munster, IMO Casey, Joey, Zebo, Conway and Haley are all very good players who are at or not far off international standard and I’d be surprised if 4 if not 5 of those don’t receive a few international caps this season.
Scannell, whilst not a super star, is a very good player.

I can’t argue about Goggin, as he had a complete nightmare of a game on Sat apart from his kick through of Zebo’s second try.

However, the introduction of Farrell and DDA will be a big improvement.
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Some good new on Hodnett, who I am excited to see progress.
The timing of his latest injury was very unfortunate as he looked like he was in line for a run of games.

Salanoa is not as fortunate, as he looks to be constantly going from one injury to the next.

From the independent:
Talented Munster back-row John Hodnett is set to bring his nightmare injury spell to an end, as he returns to training this week.
Hodnett has been sidelined since last November after damaging his Achilles. But the former Ireland U-20 star is now in line to take the next step in his recovery as he rejoins full training.

The 22-year-old will add a fresh dynamic to Munster's back-row options, as he looks to get his career back on track.

There is also positive news for hooker Kevin O'Byrne, who like Hodnett, is in line to return to training this week, having missed the start of the season with a leg injury.

The luckless Roman Salanoa (knee) is continuing to rehab and will be unavailable for the coming weeks, as fellow prop Liam O’Connor (neck) has also been ruled out of Saturday's United Rugby Championship clash against the Stormers at Thomond Park.

Another Munster prop, James French, sustained a concussion in action for the Munster Development XV against Leinster on Friday and will enter the return-to-play protocols.

Ireland centre Chris Farrell (abdomen) and new South African signing Jason Jenkins (shoulder) remain sidelined.
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"Mike Adamson (SRU) due to referee Munster v DHL Stormers fixture on Saturday has been ruled out due to calf injury. Andrew Brace (IRFU) has stepped in on a merit based appointment." from URC website https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/refe ... -1-round-2
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A Munster Rugby ref, officiating Munster? Not a good look.
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at least its not against us, we have a SARU ref on Sunday
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Lithiumtherapy wrote: September 30th, 2021, 10:54 pm at least its not against us, we have a SARU ref on Sunday
I'd take Brace over Busby.
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See Earls is starting at 13. Goggin paying the price.
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fourthirtythree wrote: October 1st, 2021, 12:42 pm See Earls is starting at 13. Goggin paying the price.
Yeah, but it's a must win game!!! (irony alert...)
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fourthirtythree wrote:See Earls is starting at 13.
Will he be wearing bootcut jeans?
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Dave Cahill wrote: October 1st, 2021, 1:01 pm
fourthirtythree wrote:See Earls is starting at 13.
Will he be wearing bootcut jeans?
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Munster: Mike Haley; Calvin Nash, Keith Earls, Rory Scannell, Shane Daly; Joey Carbery, Craig Casey; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, Keynan Knox; Jean Kleyn, Fineen Wycherley; Peter O’Mahony (C), Jack O’Donoghue, Gavin Coombes.

Replacements: Diarmuid Barron, Jeremy Loughman, Stephen Archer, RG Snyman, Jack O’Sullivan, Rowan Osborne, Ben Healy, Simon Zebo


2 weeks in a row for Knox. We might be seeing signs of movement in the development front.

Notable also that there's a 5-3 split.
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Knox starting the game. Hopefully this is the season where he can finally pin down the jersey and become the first team starter. He's kinda flown under the radar for the last few years but I think he's a guy who could be a big deal for Munster and Ireland.
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sunshiner1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 2:55 pm Knox starting the game. Hopefully this is the season where he can finally pin down the jersey and become the first team starter. He's kinda flown under the radar for the last few years but I think he's a guy who could be a big deal for Munster and Ireland.
Do you think they pressured Porter to accommodate him?
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sunshiner1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 2:55 pm Knox starting the game. Hopefully this is the season where he can finally pin down the jersey and become the first team starter. He's kinda flown under the radar for the last few years but I think he's a guy who could be a big deal for Munster and Ireland.
truely the worst case of poaching done by the IRFU.
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sunshiner1 wrote: October 1st, 2021, 2:55 pm Knox starting the game. Hopefully this is the season where he can finally pin down the jersey and become the first team starter. He's kinda flown under the radar for the last few years but I think he's a guy who could be a big deal for Munster and Ireland.
I really hope not.
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