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Dave Rennie sacked, Eddie Jones new coach. Deal till 2027.
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As Russ petty said on twitter, excited to see the new 5 year RWC cycle.

Rennie for Leinster though?
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paddyor wrote: January 15th, 2023, 11:11 pm As Russ petty said on twitter, excited to see the new 5 year RWC cycle.

Rennie for Leinster though?
Jono Gibbes apparently getting the sack at Clermont, has been name checked by Bernard Jackman to replace Lancaster.
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Jonno Gibbes seems like a nice guy; but personally I don't think he's anywhere near good enough to replace Lancaster. I know Ulster were in turmoil when he was there and he left after a year ? or so, Anyway - Lancaster is 'Senior Coach' at Leinster. Leinster with Leo and Stu currently have a fairly unique model in terms of ownership and responsibility. It matches both their strengths. I'm not sure what the model will be when Stuart leaves. Am I correct in saying Leo is on rolling 1 year contract?
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Wow!!! Makes sense though. Jones has a better track record than Rennie. Plus the change will give them a bounce, which could last up till and into RWC2023. Jones wears out his welcome eventually, so a nine month stint as Oz boss might just be perfect!!!

To the above via WhatsApp a buddy of mine in Brisbane wrote the following:

"That is the thinking at the ARU. Jones has always done well at World Cups. However Rennie was liked by the players and to be fair to Rennie he has been plagued by injuries . The strength in depth is just not there.The bottom line is that the Wallabies as a rugby powerhouse is fading. Act of desperation not strategic."
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by desperado

Jonno Gibbes seems like a nice guy; but personally I don't think he's anywhere near good enough to replace Lancaster. I know Ulster were in turmoil when he was there and he left after a year ? or so, Anyway - Lancaster is 'Senior Coach' at Leinster. Leinster with Leo and Stu currently have a fairly unique model in terms of ownership and responsibility. It matches both their strengths. I'm not sure what the model will be when Stuart leaves. Am I correct in saying Leo is on rolling 1 year contract?
I wouldn't touch Gibbes as a senior coach. Hasn't been successful in a long long time. What do people think of Pivac? Did great at the Scarlets and had a tough time internationally.
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riocard911 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 12:21 am Wow!!! Makes sense though. Jones has a better track record than Rennie. Plus the change will give them a bounce, which could last up till and into RWC2023. Jones wears out his welcome eventually, so a nine month stint as Oz boss might just be perfect!!!

To the above via WhatsApp a buddy of mine in Brisbane wrote the following:

"That is the thinking at the ARU. Jones has always done well at World Cups. However Rennie was liked by the players and to be fair to Rennie he has been plagued by injuries . The strength in depth is just not there.The bottom line is that the Wallabies as a rugby powerhouse is fading. Act of desperation not strategic."
He has signed a 5 year contract.

BBC News - Eddie Jones: Ex-England boss appointed Australia head coach as Dave Rennie sacked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64285827
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IanD wrote: January 16th, 2023, 8:34 am
riocard911 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 12:21 am Wow!!! Makes sense though. Jones has a better track record than Rennie. Plus the change will give them a bounce, which could last up till and into RWC2023. Jones wears out his welcome eventually, so a nine month stint as Oz boss might just be perfect!!!

To the above via WhatsApp a buddy of mine in Brisbane wrote the following:

"That is the thinking at the ARU. Jones has always done well at World Cups. However Rennie was liked by the players and to be fair to Rennie he has been plagued by injuries . The strength in depth is just not there.The bottom line is that the Wallabies as a rugby powerhouse is fading. Act of desperation not strategic."
He has signed a 5 year contract.

BBC News - Eddie Jones: Ex-England boss appointed Australia head coach as Dave Rennie sacked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64285827
Whether Eddie remains in charge of the Wallabies for the full five years remains to be seen. Contracts are there precisely for the eventuality, that the parties involved have a falling out. Ar aon nós, knowing Eddie's ball-breaking managerial style and the high turnover of staff, which characterised his stint with England, I think my assessment, that his chances of guiding Oz to another WC title this coming Autumn are astronomically higher than in 2027, will be proven valid.
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I think the EJ appointment is a master stroke by RA, and he's smart enough to know they have plenty of talent to go far in RWC 2023.
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desperado wrote: January 16th, 2023, 11:18 am I think the EJ appointment is a master stroke by RA, and he's smart enough to know they have plenty of talent to go far in RWC 2023.
harsh on rennie but adds so much spice to a potential england v australia QF in the WC.

lack of depth and injuries contributed to so many losses last year rather than coaching. despite the injuries they came very close to winning so many big games...including NZ when Rayner made that call about time wasting. and france, in paris. and us, in Dublin.

details about EJs coaching style, that emerged after he was sacked, sounds like it belongs in the 20th century...alongside misogyny and jim davidson jokes.
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There's a proper coaching merry go round at this point. Ronnie, Jones, Pivac. All the more remarkable that Ian Foster has kept his job.
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MylesNaGapoleen wrote: January 16th, 2023, 11:26 pm
desperado wrote: January 16th, 2023, 11:18 am I think the EJ appointment is a master stroke by RA, and he's smart enough to know they have plenty of talent to go far in RWC 2023.
harsh on rennie but adds so much spice to a potential england v australia QF in the WC.

lack of depth and injuries contributed to so many losses last year rather than coaching. despite the injuries they came very close to winning so many big games...including NZ when Rayner made that call about time wasting. and france, in paris. and us, in Dublin.

details about EJs coaching style, that emerged after he was sacked, sounds like it belongs in the 20th century...alongside misogyny and jim davidson jokes.
But they might be able to put up with it just until the World Cup is over. He's perfect for that, just not a long term option anywhere. He'll just get himself fired again and, again, blame it on the media rather than his own behaviour.

For a coach who seems to be so capable of critical reflection and reinvention in rugby, he sure is completely lacking it in the rest of his professional life.
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ronk wrote: January 18th, 2023, 8:03 am There's a proper coaching merry go round at this point. Ronnie, Jones, Pivac. All the more remarkable that Ian Foster has kept his job.
Eddie back as head coach of Australia, Warren back in Wales... we'll have Deccie back in charge of Ireland before you know it....
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Dexter wrote: January 18th, 2023, 12:32 pm
ronk wrote: January 18th, 2023, 8:03 am There's a proper coaching merry go round at this point. Ronnie, Jones, Pivac. All the more remarkable that Ian Foster has kept his job.
Eddie back as head coach of Australia, Warren back in Wales... we'll have Deccie back in charge of Ireland before you know it....
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Dexter wrote: January 18th, 2023, 12:32 pm
ronk wrote: January 18th, 2023, 8:03 am There's a proper coaching merry go round at this point. Ronnie, Jones, Pivac. All the more remarkable that Ian Foster has kept his job.
Eddie back as head coach of Australia, Warren back in Wales... we'll have Deccie back in charge of Ireland before you know it....
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Dexter wrote: January 18th, 2023, 12:32 pm
ronk wrote: January 18th, 2023, 8:03 am There's a proper coaching merry go round at this point. Ronnie, Jones, Pivac. All the more remarkable that Ian Foster has kept his job.
Eddie back as head coach of Australia, Warren back in Wales... we have Deccie in charge of the Irish.
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Haha, I knew that might get some slightly negative reactions....
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Dexter wrote: January 18th, 2023, 12:32 pm
ronk wrote: January 18th, 2023, 8:03 am There's a proper coaching merry go round at this point. Ronnie, Jones, Pivac. All the more remarkable that Ian Foster has kept his job.
Eddie back as head coach of Australia, Warren back in Wales... we'll have Deccie back in charge of Ireland before you know it....
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