6 Nations 2023 - The Other Teams

[neill_m]

Tight Five Rugby
@TightFive_Rugby
The panel deducted that Farrell’s tackle was in the mid-range, meaning a six week ban.

However, two of those weeks were reduced because of his ‘timely acknowledgment of his offending’ and his behaviour following the incident and during the hearing.

[Flash Gordon]

Owen Farrell got 4 weeks, down to 3 with tackle school - can play v Scotland shocker....

Didn't accept that it was a red card.

https://twitter.com/jameswhile/status/1 ... YxAW8wdtBQ

Didn't admit guilt and a repeat offender, how on earth does he get mitigation? Sending him to tackle school is a joke, the guy has been playing professional rugby for over a decade, don't tell me he doesn't know how to tackle or the risks associated with the tackle. There really should be an accelerator and increased sanction for repeat offences not the other way round!

[RoboProp]

Owen Farrell got 4 weeks, down to 3 with tackle school - can play v Scotland shocker....

Didn't accept that it was a red card.

https://twitter.com/jameswhile/status/1 ... YxAW8wdtBQ

Didn't admit guilt and a repeat offender, how on earth does he get mitigation? Sending him to tackle school is a joke, the guy has been playing professional rugby for over a decade, don't tell me he doesn't know how to tackle or the risks associated with the tackle. There really should be an accelerator and increased sanction for repeat offences not the other way round!

Rugby Tackle School has to be up there as the biggest, pseudo-educational institution since Trump University!

[fourthirtythree]

Owen Farrell got 4 weeks, down to 3 with tackle school - can play v Scotland shocker....

Didn't accept that it was a red card.

https://twitter.com/jameswhile/status/1 ... YxAW8wdtBQ

Didn't admit guilt and a repeat offender, how on earth does he get mitigation? Sending him to tackle school is a joke, the guy has been playing professional rugby for over a decade, don't tell me he doesn't know how to tackle or the risks associated with the tackle. There really should be an accelerator and increased sanction for repeat offences not the other way round!

Rugby Tackle School has to be up there as the biggest, pseudo-educational institution since Trump University!

Will Connors has entered the chat. And he's angry!

Three weeks is about what you would expect for what I saw to be honest. Don't forget he got no sanction at all for a couple of eyebrow raising, very high profile, high tackles so they aren't to be taken into account. His previous is from years ago because of that.

[Ruckedtobits]

Outrageous manipulation of the disciplinary process to allow serial offender Farrell take part without sanction in the 6N.

Nothing to see here.

[Morf]

Farrell gets a 4 game ban, reduced to 3 if he does the tackle school so back in time for the 1st 6 nations game, now there's a surprise....

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Wasn't PO'C the same when he kicked Dave Kearney in the head?
These disciplinary processes will be the same everywhere.

[Oldschoolsocks]

Farrell gets a 4 game ban, reduced to 3 if he does the tackle school so back in time for the 1st 6 nations game, now there's a surprise....

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Wasn't PO'C the same when he kicked Dave Kearney in the head?
These disciplinary processes will be the same everywhere.

Nope, POC wasn’t even cited. It was a f%~king disgrace.

if I remember correctly, at the time O’Connell wouldn’t even acknowledge he’d done anything wrong.

[Flash Gordon]

Farrell gets a 4 game ban, reduced to 3 if he does the tackle school so back in time for the 1st 6 nations game, now there's a surprise....

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Wasn't PO'C the same when he kicked Dave Kearney in the head?
These disciplinary processes will be the same everywhere.

Nope, POC wasn’t even cited. It was a f%~king disgrace.

if I remember correctly, at the time O’Connell wouldn’t even acknowledge he’d done anything wrong.

Dave was taken in the air and kicked in the head by POC before being stretchered off. POC admitted he'd kicked him in the head but was really surprised that there was a conversation about citing because it was an accident. Clearly POC wasn't a dirty player but he should have been cited for that, it was back in the day when the provinces had a cosy arrangement not to cite.

[paddyor]

Outrageous manipulation of the disciplinary process to allow serial offender Farrell take part without sanction in the 6N.

Nothing to see here.

It's not really manipulation though. It's more that it's just a cr@p system.

[Barry]

Wasn't PO'C the same when he kicked Dave Kearney in the head?
These disciplinary processes will be the same everywhere.

Nope, POC wasn’t even cited. It was a f%~king disgrace.

if I remember correctly, at the time O’Connell wouldn’t even acknowledge he’d done anything wrong.

Dave was taken in the air and kicked in the head by POC before being stretchered off. POC admitted he'd kicked him in the head but was really surprised that there was a conversation about citing because it was an accident. Clearly POC wasn't a dirty player but he should have been cited for that, it was back in the day when the provinces had a cosy arrangement not to cite.

Munster had a European semi final 2 weeks later so POC was never going to be cited.
Joe Schmidt and Leo were seen as the bad guys for criticising the failure to cite.

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[fourthirtythree]

Wasn't PO'C the same when he kicked Dave Kearney in the head?
These disciplinary processes will be the same everywhere.

Nope, POC wasn’t even cited. It was a f%~king disgrace.

if I remember correctly, at the time O’Connell wouldn’t even acknowledge he’d done anything wrong.

Dave was taken in the air and kicked in the head by POC before being stretchered off. POC admitted he'd kicked him in the head but was really surprised that there was a conversation about citing because it was an accident. Clearly POC wasn't a dirty player but he should have been cited for that, it was back in the day when the provinces had a cosy arrangement not to cite.

He also got sent off by Nigel Owens that day towards the end as the red mist had descended on him and he had totally lost his head. Lucky for Dave he didn't.

[Morf]

Keeping in mind the reliance on test rugby to fund club rugby in most places disciplinary procedures are always going to work out giving the paying fans the best product.

[IanD]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64229168

Wales name Alex King and Mike Forshaw in Warren Gatland's coaching staff


"Head coach Warren Gatland has appointed Alex King and Mike Forshaw to replace Stephen Jones and Gethin Jenkins in Wales' backroom staff.

King will return to the attack coach role he held temporarily in 2017 when Gatland was with the British and Irish Lions.

Forshaw arrives from Sale and will replace defence coach Jenkins.

King and Forshaw join Jonathan Humphreys and Neil Jenkins, who are retained from Wayne Pivac's set-up."

[Degz]

Neil Jenkins has got a job for life there.

[riocard911]

Neil Jenkins has got a job for life there.

Kind of deserved though. He was one of the greatest kickers of a rugby ball of all time and as kicking coach seems to be top notch too.

[IanD]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... tack-coach

RFU confirms departure of attack coach Martin Gleeson after Nick Evans’ arrival

"Steve Borthwick’s cull of Eddie Jones’s assistants has continued with Martin Gleeson leaving his job as England attack coach. Gleeson’s departure appeared inevitable after Nick Evans was handed the reins of the attack last week, and the Rugby Football Union confirmed his exit with immediate effect on Friday."

Seems very odd to be leaving decision to so close to The 6 Nations.

[riocard911]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... tack-coach

RFU confirms departure of attack coach Martin Gleeson after Nick Evans’ arrival

"Steve Borthwick’s cull of Eddie Jones’s assistants has continued with Martin Gleeson leaving his job as England attack coach. Gleeson’s departure appeared inevitable after Nick Evans was handed the reins of the attack last week, and the Rugby Football Union confirmed his exit with immediate effect on Friday."

Seems very odd to be leaving decision to so close to The 6 Nations.

It's a no-lose situation: If the Charioteers' 6 Nations goes south, it's cos the coaching staff didn't have time to bed in; If they win the thing Borthwick is a genius.

[IanD]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... tack-coach

RFU confirms departure of attack coach Martin Gleeson after Nick Evans’ arrival

"Steve Borthwick’s cull of Eddie Jones’s assistants has continued with Martin Gleeson leaving his job as England attack coach. Gleeson’s departure appeared inevitable after Nick Evans was handed the reins of the attack last week, and the Rugby Football Union confirmed his exit with immediate effect on Friday."

Seems very odd to be leaving decision to so close to The 6 Nations.

It's a no-lose situation: If the Charioteers' 6 Nations goes south, it's cos the coaching staff didn't have time to bed in; If they win the thing Borthwick is a genius.

He replacement doesn't start till next month either.

[hugonaut]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... d-scotland

"A remarkable intervention from the Rugby Football Union has cleared Steve Borthwick to pick the suspended Owen Farrell in his Six Nations squad on Monday without jeopardising his availability for England’s championship opener against Scotland.

With the uncertainty that Farrell’s ban would be updated to include the Scotland fixture on 4 February if selected, the RFU has written to Saracens to confirm he is available for a match that he cannot play in due to his suspension.

Farrell was given a three-match suspension on Tuesday – provided he attends tackle school – but the disciplinary panel meted out his punishment in club matches, saying it would not consider England fixtures because Borthwick had not selected his squad.

The third of those club matches is Saracens’ fixture against Bristol on 28 January but England will have started their Six Nations preparations at the beginning of that week and players selected do not play for their clubs on the weekend in question.

That raised the prospect of Farrell’s ban being altered to no longer include the Bristol fixture and instead extend to the Scotland match on 4 February if he were called up. The disciplinary panel even hinted at that possibility, referencing the potential for a “change of circumstances” in its written judgment.

As a result, the RFU has taken the step of writing to Saracens to confirm Farrell is available for their Bristol fixture, which is in effect doublespeak because he is not available at all due to his suspension. The RFU is essentially claiming that because Farrell could be released to play against Bristol were he not suspended, that he still would be."

[ronk]

It's a problem with having disciplinary committees second guess selection at club and international level.

If you get picked for an international squad then those matches count towards your ban. But you might not have been picked originally and now miss a call up.

Depending on how you see it the decision is between a 2 match ban and a 4 match ban, even though he's formally banned for 3.

If he's unavailable for the next 2 weeks and will miss the Scotland game then the RFU might actually want him getting gametime against Bristol.

To me the preferred (but still odious) solution would be to ban him for the Scotland game but actually allow him to play the Bristol game. If a ban doesn't count games that it doesn't think you were going to play then it shouldn't count for those games. Otherwise a ban is (for no reasons other than bad timing) being amplified by affecting the chances of international selection (which is huge) and by covering additional matches.

Another solution would have just to made it a 4 match ban and include the Bristol game.