Emerging Ireland to tour SA

[cormac]

Squad named:
https://www.irishrugby.ie/2022/09/14/em ... emfontein/

Osborne, Smith, Frawley, Clarkson, Milne, McCarthy, Deegan, Penny, Soroka.

James Culhane and Brian Deeny too.

[wixfjord]

Overall, this won't really impact us in terms of league games. Ulster are probably the worst effected.

[blockhead]

Robert Baloucoune?

[wixfjord]

No captain named, but Frawley is used as the main man in the visual and would seem like the obvious choice there.

No Harry Byrne is interesting, are they leaving him to play for Leinster?

[berliner]

I find the lock selection strange. Deeny has played just two games in two and a half years, and neither Niall Murray or Gavin Thornbury picked.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

I find the lock selection strange. Deeny has played just two games in two and a half years, and neither Niall Murray or Gavin Thornbury picked.

Could it just be that Connacht need them too much? Personally wouldn’t want Thornbury on this tour anyway, he’s nearly 29 and I can’t see him breaking into the Ireland squad. Surprised Deeny is ahead of Murray though alright.

Really interesting squad, looking forward to the games now anyway because there’ll be lots of interesting selections. There are some lads I wouldn’t have picked but it’s such an unusual tour that it’s difficult to quibble with any of them and hard to know the reasoning behind some of them. Some could well just be there to make up the numbers and allow others to play back home.

I think M1 called it that Frisch had a chance with Ireland but got shot down for it. Fair play he was right.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Interesting that Mullins is listed with Connacht too. His pathway seems very unusual but at the same time there seems to be a clear plan, possibly impacted by wanting to tie him down (can’t remember if 7s counts and doubt this tour would, but just making sure he’s involved like this would encourage him to stay anyway) but the plan is clearly there.

[Dave Cahill]

Interesting that Mullins is listed with Connacht too. His pathway seems very unusual but at the same time there seems to be a clear plan, possibly impacted by wanting to tie him down (can’t remember if 7s counts and doubt this tour would, but just making sure he’s involved like this would encourage him to stay anyway) but the plan is clearly there.

Sevens does count and he is now tied to Ireland through it

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Interesting that Mullins is listed with Connacht too. His pathway seems very unusual but at the same time there seems to be a clear plan, possibly impacted by wanting to tie him down (can’t remember if 7s counts and doubt this tour would, but just making sure he’s involved like this would encourage him to stay anyway) but the plan is clearly there.

Sevens does count and he is now tied to Ireland through it

Thanks. Sorry, one of those annoying questions that keeps cropping up so I should really have known the answer for.

[Dave Cahill]

Are there any Irish qualified players currently playing professional rugby for an Irish province who won't have been selected (injury aside) for an Irish national representative squad of some stripe in 2022? I'd imagine there are very few at this stage

[Laighin Break]

Rhys? Maybe he can captain Ireland A to victory over NZ XV

[leinsterforever]

Are there any Irish qualified players currently playing professional rugby for an Irish province who won't have been selected (injury aside) for an Irish national representative squad of some stripe in 2022? I'd imagine there are very few at this stage

Sure there'd be loads, wouldn't there? Warwick, McKee, Abdaladze...

[Ruckedtobits]

Trying to demonstrate this Squad by position:

FORWARDS (20)
LHP:Josh Wycherly, Michael Milne, Callum Reid
THP: Tom Clarkson, Roman Salanoa, Sam Illo
Hooker: Diarmuid Barron, Tom Stewart, Dylan Tierney-Martin
2nd Row: Tom Ahern, Cormac Izuchukwu, Brian Deeny, Joe McCarthy, Alec Soroka
Back Row: James Culhane, Max Deegan, John Hodnett, Alex Kendellan, Scott Penney, Cian Prendergast.

BACKS (15)
Scrum-halves: Caolin Blade, Nathan Doak, Michael McDonald
Out-halves: Jack Crowley, Jake Flannery, Ciaran Frawley

Centres: Antoine Frisch, Stewart Moore, Jamie Osborne

Back-Three: Robert Baloucoune, Shane Daly, Calvin Nash, Ethan McElroy, Chay Mullins, Andrew Smith

This Squad is a real combination of emerging international talents, as demonstrated through their under-age Representative experiences, and those as yet uncapped who have emerged in national Sevens or Provincial colours (Mullins, Smith, Nash, Wycherly, Barron, McCarthy) and those few who have already received international senior caps but with only limited exposure to date (e.g. Deegan Baloucoune, Prendergast, Daly). It's a very interesting insight to the thoughts of Farrell and his fellow coaches.

If I have any misgivings, it is solely for those more senior interpros & internationals whose careers have been seriously interupted by injuries such as Thornbury, Marty Moore, Will Allison or Luke Marshall.

[Ruckedtobits]

Eleven Leinster representatives is going to test the selectorial ability and depth of Leinster. It will be fascinating to see the consequences.

[Dave Cahill]

Are there any Irish qualified players currently playing professional rugby for an Irish province who won't have been selected (injury aside) for an Irish national representative squad of some stripe in 2022? I'd imagine there are very few at this stage

Sure there'd be loads, wouldn't there? Warwick, McKee, Abdaladze...

Possibly my question was a tad hyperbolic, but between the U20s and Senior Six Nations squads, the tour to New Zealand (with the midweek games), these 'Emerging Ireland' games and the Autumn Internationals and 'A' game a lot of players will have been in various squads - I don't think I can remember a busier year at International level with more opportunities for players at various stages of their development to impress

[Ruckedtobits]

Sometimes (mostly), the comments that accompany the announcement of an Irish Squad are so anodyne as to be unnecessary at all. Not so with Simon Easterby's remarks about the challenge which they are putting up to Ciaran Frawley in this Emerging Ireland Squad.

Paraphrasing him "we're putting it up to him, take charge of one full week of this Tour, like Johnny does, and run it from No 10 as leader and soul of the team". He certainly can't say he wasn't aware of what they want.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2022/091 ... g-ireland/

[Oldschool]

Anyone fancy putting together a "first choice" 23.

[Ruckedtobits]

Anyone fancy putting together a "first choice" 23.

Possibly not all where you'd expect them to be:
15. Andrew Smith
14. Robert Balaucoune
13. Shane Daly
12. Antoine Frisch
11. Ethan McElroy
10. Ciaran Frawley
9. Caolin Blade
8. Max Deegan
7. Alex Kendellan
6. Alex Soroka
5. Tom Ahern
4. Joe McCarthy
3. Tom Clarkson
2. Tom Stewart
1. Michael Milne

[hugonaut]

Last season [2021-22] provincial gametime: mins/matches played [starts+subs]

1200+mins
1. Ethan McIlroy (b.2000): 1586mins/22 [21+1]
2. Cian Prendergast (b.2000): 1440mins/21 [20+1]
3. Robert Baloucoune (b.1997): 1236mins/17 [17+0]

1000-1200mins
4. Ciaran Frawley (b.1997): 1096mins/21 [14+7]
5. Stewart Moore (b.1999): 1056mins/16 [10+6]
6. Nathan Doak (b.2001): 1019mins/21 [13+8]

800-1000mins
7. Max Deegan (b.1996): 890mins/18 [8+10]
8. Alex Kendellen (b.2001): 870mins/20 [10+10]
9. Scott Penny (b.1999): 851mins/12 [11+1]
10. Diarmuid Barron (b.1998): 837mins/21 [9+12]
11. Shane Daly (b.1996): 831mins/13 [10+3]

600-800mins
12. Jamie Osborne (b.2001): 776mins/10 [10+0]
13. John Hodnett (b.1999): 749 mins/16 [9+7]
14. Josh Wycherly (b.1999): 707mins/18 [9+10]
15. Caolin Blade (b.1994): 648mins/17 [7+10]
16. Joe McCarthy (b.2001): 629mins/12 [8+4]
17. Calvin Nash (b.1997): 623mins/8 [8+0]

400-600mins
18. Tom Ahern (b.2000): 443/13 [4+9]
19. Jack Crowley (b.2000): 439mins/12 [5+7]

200-400mins
20. Tom Clarkson (b.2000): 291mins/8 [4+4]

100-200mins
21. Callum Reid (b.1999):175mins/5 [0+5]
22. Tom Stewart (b.2001): 155mins/5 [0+5]
23. Dylan Tierney Martin (b.1999): 129mins/5 [1+4]

50-100mins
24. Brian Deeny (b.2000): 95mins/2 [2+0]
25. Alex Soroka (b.2001): 88mins/2 [1+1]
26. Jake Flannery (b.1999): 83mins/2 [1+1]
27. Roman Salanoa (b.1997): 55mins/2 [0+2]

1-50mins
28. Sam Illo (b.2001): 26mins/2 [0+2]
29. Cormac Izuchukwu (b.2000): 18mins/1 [0+1]
30. Michael Milne (b.1999): 11mins/1 [0+1]

0mins
31. Antoine Frisch (b.1996): 0 mins
32. Michael McDonald (b.1999): 0mins
33. Andrew Smith (b.2000): 0 mins
34. James Culhane (b.2002): 0 mins
35. Chay Mullins (b.2002): 0 mins

[riocard911]

Last season [2021-22] provincial gametime: mins/matches played [starts+subs]

1200+mins
1. Ethan McIlroy (b.2000): 1586mins/22 [21+1]
2. Cian Prendergast (b.2000): 1440mins/21 [20+1]
3. Robert Baloucoune (b.1997): 1236mins/17 [17+0]

1000-1200mins
4. Ciaran Frawley (b.1997): 1096mins/21 [14+7]
5. Stewart Moore (b.1999): 1056mins/16 [10+6]
6. Nathan Doak (b.2001): 1019mins/21 [13+8]

800-1000mins
7. Max Deegan (b.1996): 890mins/18 [8+10]
8. Alex Kendellen (b.2001): 870mins/20 [10+10]
9. Scott Penny (b.1999): 851mins/12 [11+1]
10. Diarmuid Barron (b.1998): 837mins/21 [9+12]
11. Shane Daly (b.1996): 831mins/13 [10+3]

600-800mins
12. Jamie Osborne (b.2001): 776mins/10 [10+0]
13. John Hodnett (b.1999): 749 mins/16 [9+7]
14. Josh Wycherly (b.1999): 707mins/18 [9+10]
15. Caolin Blade (b.1994): 648mins/17 [7+10]
16. Joe McCarthy (b.2001): 629mins/12 [8+4]
17. Calvin Nash (b.1997): 623mins/8 [8+0]

400-600mins
18. Tom Ahern (b.2000): 443/13 [4+9]
19. Jack Crowley (b.2000): 439mins/12 [5+7]

200-400mins
20. Tom Clarkson (b.2000): 291mins/8 [4+4]

100-200mins
21. Callum Reid (b.1999):175mins/5 [0+5]
22. Tom Stewart (b.2001): 155mins/5 [0+5]
23. Dylan Tierney Martin (b.1999): 129mins/5 [1+4]

50-100mins
24. Brian Deeny (b.2000): 95mins/2 [2+0]
25. Alex Soroka (b.2001): 88mins/2 [1+1]
26. Jake Flannery (b.1999): 83mins/2 [1+1]
27. Roman Salanoa (b.1997): 55mins/2 [0+2]

1-50mins
28. Sam Illo (b.2001): 26mins/2 [0+2]
29. Cormac Izuchukwu (b.2000): 18mins/1 [0+1]
30. Michael Milne (b.1999): 11mins/1 [0+1]

0mins
31. Antoine Frisch (b.1996): 0 mins
32. Michael McDonald (b.1999): 0mins
33. Andrew Smith (b.2000): 0 mins
34. James Culhane (b.2002): 0 mins
35. Chay Mullins (b.2002): 0 mins

Great stats, well presented. Grma, Hugo!