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heno wrote:
brenno wrote: Whatever about project players and residency qualifications - whether it's 3 or 5 years - anybody from outside Ireland with an Irish parent or just one grandparent is fully entitled to Irish citizenship and represent the country in whatever sport. Hell, was reading in Sunday Times magazine a couple of weeks ago that Lee Child has an Irish father and is getting an Irish passport because of all the Brexshit stuff. Serves the Brits right for claiming Daniel O'Donnell as British on Sky News a couple of weeks ago.
Somebody correct me if the following is wrong :
If you have a parent or grand parent you can play for the country, but there is no requirement to become a citizen and get a passport.
On the opposite side, if you get a passport without the residency or blood rule (ie Arab sheik), you don't become entitled to play.
And also if you play for one country, and later change passports to another country, you can't play for the new country.
So in effect playing for a country and passports are totally independent of each other.
Although they will obviously overlap in the vast majorty or cases.

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Citizenship can’t really be connected with nationality requirements.

We have two jurisdictions in the country, and two equally valid citizenships. Whereas Scots, for example, have no option of Scottish citizenship and use the same passport as England and Wales. (Information correct as at 1227hrs 28 OCT 2020)

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Hearing that prior to Tadhg, Killer & O’Toole’s injuries, the coaching team had planned for the following propping roster: LH - Healy, Porter, Killer @ TH: Furlong, O’Toole, Bealham.

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backrower8 wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:47 am
Hearing that prior to Tadhg, Killer & O’Toole’s injuries, the coaching team had planned for the following propping roster: LH - Healy, Porter, Killer @ TH: Furlong, O’Toole, Bealham.
This from your Dan Leavy source?

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wixfjord wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 11:06 am
backrower8 wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:47 am
Hearing that prior to Tadhg, Killer & O’Toole’s injuries, the coaching team had planned for the following propping roster: LH - Healy, Porter, Killer @ TH: Furlong, O’Toole, Bealham.
This from your Dan Leavy source?
No.

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Staggering to note the youth of the squads for the Australia v New Zealand match yesterday.

Just one player over 30 in the NZ squad. Whitelock is 31. A few 20 year olds in the subs.

The winning Australian starting team had 1 x 23 year old, 2 x 22 year olds & 2 x 20 year olds.

Most of the two squads were mid-20s or younger.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch!!

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Given the break in the Premiership fixtures whilst Pro14 games continue, the upcoming Nations Cup fixture against England presents Ireland with a rare opportunity to beat England and Wales in successive games.

Regardless of how arduous are the training sessions run by Eddie Jones, the moveement in and out of Irish camp by a number of players, represents a far more familiar routine for the Irish players. Couple this with the natural emotional high that the English players will have experienced following the completion of the 2020 6 Nations, I believe it will be difficult for English players to sufficently re-focus their energies on beating Ireland. Finally, Ireland's prior engagement against Wales will prove the most appropriate warm-up for the Irish players, both physically and emotionally.

To take the opportunity, Ireland will have to reproduce their first-half scrum performance again France and radically improve the line-out execution in comparison to the games against Italy & France. If our back three, whatever it's composition, can provide a coherent defence and a springboard for counter-attack to optimise the talents of all three, Ireland need not be subjected to a physical confrontation in which they will be cowed as in the last three meetings.

All in all a good opportunity for this Irish Squad.

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Some very harsh words from Irish legend Shane Horgan, and as much as I’d love to disagree with him, he does make a good point.

Ireland never got that new coach lift that many sides get, where a change in tactics, style and playing personnel provides a big boost.
He looked so out of his depth against England over the last 2 games against them, with a complete lack of any visible progression.

I can’t see Farrell going anywhere, because I doubt that the IRFU have the funds to replace him, but selecting a coach with zero head coach experience was not a wise move.

Perhaps Ireland could bring in Lancaster as a senior advisor or something similar?

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munster#1 wrote:
November 26th, 2020, 8:35 am
Perhaps Ireland could bring in Lancaster as a senior advisor or something similar?
I wonder what the reaction would be if it was suggested that Lancaster stepped in to assist Farrell - on both sides :D
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The Doc wrote:
November 26th, 2020, 9:59 am
munster#1 wrote:
November 26th, 2020, 8:35 am
Perhaps Ireland could bring in Lancaster as a senior advisor or something similar?
I wonder what the reaction would be if it was suggested that Lancaster stepped in to assist Farrell - on both sides :D
You’d imagine that Farrell is aware of any shortcomings that he may have, so I’d suspect that he would be happy to have some assistance.

Lancaster is already an assistant coach, so he may see it as a step up?

For me Lancaster would be a great fit, as he has experience at international level, he has worked with Farrell before, he knows most of the Irish players very well, and most importantly, he is already on the IRFU payroll, and knows how the Irish structure works.

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If the problem was not bringing in fresh blood, then the solution isn’t not bringing in fresh blood.

Lancaster was a great signing because it was innovative to hire him (it was a very unusual move that involved creating a new position). Leinster won Heineken Cups with 3 different coaches, none of whom had head coaching experience at a high level.

Ireland haven’t hired a coach from outside the provinces or national setup since Brian Ashton.

Faz hasn’t done anything worrying yet so he should get time. There was no real succession plan in a number of positions and he’s tried at address all of them in a proactive way.

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As long as we play a with a non functioning line out we’re fubarred.

I don’t know what the problem is so no idea what the solution is, but it’s probably a good place to start...

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Oldschoolsocks wrote:
November 26th, 2020, 11:46 am
As long as we play a with a non functioning line out we’re fubarred.

I don’t know what the problem is so no idea what the solution is, but it’s probably a good place to start...
That is definitely true. Our lineout has been poor for a while, not just since Farrell took over.
I would imagine that this is in Easterby’s remit?

With the lineout, if the issue is the thrower, which I suspect it is, then that is an easy fix, you just select someone who can throw.

If it is a system error, then that might be harder to fix, as the budget may not extend to covering the cost of a new coach.

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munster#1 wrote:
November 26th, 2020, 10:08 am
Lancaster is already an assistant coach, so he may see it as a step up?
Doubt it. Farrell used be assistant to Lancaster - and rumour had it wasn't completely harmonious
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The Doc wrote:
November 27th, 2020, 11:10 am
munster#1 wrote:
November 26th, 2020, 10:08 am
Lancaster is already an assistant coach, so he may see it as a step up?
Doubt it. Farrell used be assistant to Lancaster - and rumour had it wasn't completely harmonious
Given that they are both professional adults, I doubt their previous positions would lead Lancaster to turn down a return to international rugby, but a rift might.

I hadn’t heard about that, but that may be a good indicator that we are unlikely to see Lancaster join the Irish coaching setup unless he succeeds Farrell.

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I think Lancaster has found his niche with Leinster. He's brilliant at developing the wider squad up to a high level. He wasn't actually that successful coaching at international level - four second place finishes in the 6N and failing to get out of the pool at the World Cup. Compare that to Eddie Jones' record, or even the much maligned Martin Johnson, who won a 6N and at least made the quarter finals at a RWC.

Lancaster is of enormous value to Irish rugby right where he is. It would be madness to move him to a different role, assuming he'd even be interested. I think he's spoken about preferring the day-to-day interaction with players he gets from coaching at a club/province.

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If ever an example of the value of specialist coaching was evident it has been in the improvement of the AB scrum in the past fortnight. Step forward, once again, Greg Feek who has regenerated the AB front-row to comprehensive demolish the Puma front-row, coached by Mario Ledesma.

Ireland definitely need that sort of expertise in scrum and lineout and much that I like both Fogarty and Easterby, our performances in both of their specialist areas have been found wanting.

In the scrum in particular it is never about getting it right once and expecting that to be enough. The great scrum coach can always pose a new threat, a different angle or height, change in scrum pressure or feet positions, the options are almost infinite. Feek did it for Leinster, then Ireland. Now he's doing it for NZ at the highest level in world scrummaging.

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Ruckedtobits wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 11:19 am
If ever an example of the value of specialist coaching was evident it has been in the improvement of the AB scrum in the past fortnight. Step forward, once again, Greg Feek who has regenerated the AB front-row to comprehensive demolish the Puma front-row, coached by Mario Ledesma.

Ireland definitely need that sort of expertise in scrum and lineout and much that I like both Fogarty and Easterby, our performances in both of their specialist areas have been found wanting.

In the scrum in particular it is never about getting it right once and expecting that to be enough. The great scrum coach can always pose a new threat, a different angle or height, change in scrum pressure or feet positions, the options are almost infinite. Feek did it for Leinster, then Ireland. Now he's doing it for NZ at the highest level in world scrummaging.
Those NZ scrums were awesome!!! The commentators even made a point of namechecking Feek!

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Horgan is right. The next few years will see us trudge along beating Italy, winning two-thirds of our games against the other Celtic nations, and getting the occasional scalp against England, France and Southern Hemisphere teams but losing most of our games against them. It won't be terrible but it'll be decidedly mediocre.
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neiliog93 wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 2:09 pm
Horgan is right. The next few years will see us trudge along beating Italy, winning two-thirds of our games against the other Celtic nations, and getting the occasional scalp against England, France and Southern Hemisphere teams but losing most of our games against them. It won't be terrible but it'll be decidedly mediocre.
About standard for the post-Schmidt expectations

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Tha was depressing.

Utterly toothless in attack. We looked like we had no idea what we were trying to do.

Burns did ok. Byrne was his usual stand and deliver self when he came in. Our centres played like two bosh merchants, our back row ran into brick walls all day.

Really worrying stuff.

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