Tour to NZ 2022

[riocard911]

New Zealand Rugby Union have confirmed that they will host Test Matches against Ireland in Auckland, Wellington and Dunedin in July 2022. In addition, their CEO Mark Robinson confirmed:

"We are still working on the prospect of mid-week matches against Ireland. There's nothing more to report on that officially, but work is going on behind the scenes with Irish rugby to look at that

Giving the forward-looking focus of Andy Farrell and his Management Team, combined with some of the comments of Jonny Sexton during the course of the 6 Nations campaign, it would be no surprise if Ireland were aiming for a five match Tour in a timeline that replicates their RWC 2023 fixtures as closely as possible. On a number of occasions over the past 8 weeks, both Faz and J10 have referenced the preparation for 6N's games as being viewed in parallel with what must be faced in a World Cup timetable.

There is a slight problem in this regard and this is the scheduled two-week gap between our South Africa Pool game on 23rd Sept 2023 and our final Pool game against Scotland on 7th October 2023. However, if Farrell et al were to 'ignore' our initial fixture against Spain and treat the other three fixtures and a Quarter-final game as akin to our NZ Tour Schedule, we could have the following:

Match 1: Ireland v Maori XV (RWC V Tonga) - Tuesday 28th June
Match 2: NZ v Ireland - 1st Test Auckland (RWC v S. AFRICA) - Sat 4th or Sun 5th Jul
Match 3: Hurricanes v Ire - Tues 7th Jul Wellington;
Match 4: NZ v Ireland -2nd Test Wellington (RWC v Scotland) Sun 12th Jul
Match 5: NZ v Ireland - 3rd Test Dunedin (RWC Q/F) Sat 18th Jul

The heavyweight week from 4th to 12th July is a tough ask, but as it's mid-tour it would be excellent preparation (and a week shorter) than our RWC itinerary. The compensation is that we can duplicate the week gap to a Q/F game post our last Pool game and this has proved our achieves heel previously.

Accordingly, it's not unreasonable to presume that Ireland will have three Test Matches at the venues mentioned above and possibly two other games against Super Rugby or Maori opposition, ideally with one Test Match on a Sunday afternoon. The word from NZ is that all Irish fixtures are eagerly awaited and should attract full stadiums given the Irish successes of recent years.

There's no precise formula for International Tour Regulations between the top (20) Rugby Nations. However, the final details have to negotiated with World Rugby prior to confirmation. However, given the degree of advance preparation that Farrell prefers, there's a strong case that he may want to take a Tour Party of the biggest possible size. The RWC regulation is for 33 players, but the rumours suggest he may want to add a number of additional travellers given the difficulty & distance involved for the arrival of reinforcements in the event of injuries, coupled with his desire to try-out some Squad members.

The composition of a Tour Party is not pre-determined except for the International game requirements for front-row players - recently brought into sharp focus by events in the Ireland v Italy 6 Nations debacle. That said, the composition of a Squad will usually be based on the degree of versatility of the players selected and the relative strength in depth in certain positions.

Pre-existing Assumptions in Squad Selection

* Assume three hookers needed for each game - in case of pre-match injury;
* Assume three scrum-halves needed for each game - in case of pre-match injury;
* Assume 3 LHPs & 3 THP's for each game - in case of pre-match injury - unless 'dual player' e.g. Healy, available.

So that's probably 12 players selected to fill just four positions, it might be only 10 / 11 if Porter and Healy were considered 'dual-sided' props.

* Back Three positions are considered non-attritional, I.e. playing twice in a week is possible. Selection here will be based on strength in depth, say 2 FBs and 4 Wings;
* Selection of Centres will be focused on the available strengths. Say 4 selections;
* Selection of Out-halves often brings to mind the NZ experience of their home World Cup Final. Assume three selections, one of whom may also be a 'dual-option' possibly FB or No 12;
* Selection between 2nd Row and Back-rows can often be a function of the available players. Assume two Open-side flanker and two specialist No 8's. After that, some teams will have 3 Second-row only players and up to 3 versatile players who can play 5, 6 or 8;

By my calculation, and assuming only 11 automatic Front-row & SH selections, it will be hard to keep a Tour Party at 33 players and Faz may request approval for 35 players. It always seems a large number when it is anonymity. However, when you begin to list positions and names, it fills up very quickly.

Initial Selection - no injuries assumed

At the outset, it's realistic to assume no injuries. However, a brief scan of every Irish Tour Party to NZ since 2002 and there has been four, shows that one can predict we'll probably lose 3/4 players to injury prior to departure. Pressure of play-off games, the attrition of a long season, injury rehabilitation prior to RWC a year later, are all factors that will result in missing faces on Tour.

The names below are offered on the assumption that all will be fit to travel, regardless of their current state of health. Those in brackets are suggested as possible candidates, depending on numbers approved to travel

Front-Row Forwards
Furlong, Porter, Kelleher, Sheehan, Herring, Bealham, Healy, (O'Toole / J McGrath)

Second-row
Ryan, Henderson, Beirne, Baird, (J McCarthy / K Treadwell / R Molony)

Back-row
JVdF, Doris, Conan, O'Mahony, Timoney, Coombes, Leavy

Scrum-halves
JGP, Murray, (Casey / Marmion / Doak)

Out-halves
Sexton, Carbery, (Carty /Byrne R / Lowry)

Centres
Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose, Hume

Back Three
Keenan, Lowry, Conway, Lowe, Hansen, Baloucoune, Earls, (Larmour)

That 47 names in total (23 Forwards, 24 Backs), possibly a couple more than might be permitted. I've included extras in front-row, back-row, 2nd row, half-backs, back three but possibly doubled-up with Lowry. It's clear that, barring injury, there won't be any 'soft' selections. However, who knows? Hanson wasn't in too many selections prior to the Welsh game and Sheehan only figured on the Leinster fans' selections from Christmas.

What Andy Farrell would really love would be a Provincial out-half (other than J10) to dominate the next 8 weeks of the URC / EPCR headlines, or an under-estimated (or experienced former international) LHP to dominate a couple of SA front-row contests in the URC or a young second-row to take his chances in successive weeks of EPCR knockout games and demand selection based on performance.

None of those scenarios are impossible, but not that unlikely.

Great post!!!

[desperado]

New Zealand Rugby Union have confirmed that they will host Test Matches against Ireland in Auckland, Wellington and Dunedin in July 2022. In addition, their CEO Mark Robinson confirmed:

"We are still working on the prospect of mid-week matches against Ireland. There's nothing more to report on that officially, but work is going on behind the scenes with Irish rugby to look at that

Giving the forward-looking focus of Andy Farrell and his Management Team, combined with some of the comments of Jonny Sexton during the course of the 6 Nations campaign, it would be no surprise if Ireland were aiming for a five match Tour in a timeline that replicates their RWC 2023 fixtures as closely as possible. On a number of occasions over the past 8 weeks, both Faz and J10 have referenced the preparation for 6N's games as being viewed in parallel with what must be faced in a World Cup timetable.

There is a slight problem in this regard and this is the scheduled two-week gap between our South Africa Pool game on 23rd Sept 2023 and our final Pool game against Scotland on 7th October 2023. However, if Farrell et al were to 'ignore' our initial fixture against Spain and treat the other three fixtures and a Quarter-final game as akin to our NZ Tour Schedule, we could have the following:

Match 1: Ireland v Maori XV (RWC V Tonga) - Tuesday 28th June
Match 2: NZ v Ireland - 1st Test Auckland (RWC v S. AFRICA) - Sat 4th or Sun 5th Jul
Match 3: Hurricanes v Ire - Tues 7th Jul Wellington;
Match 4: NZ v Ireland -2nd Test Wellington (RWC v Scotland) Sun 12th Jul
Match 5: NZ v Ireland - 3rd Test Dunedin (RWC Q/F) Sat 18th Jul

The heavyweight week from 4th to 12th July is a tough ask, but as it's mid-tour it would be excellent preparation (and a week shorter) than our RWC itinerary. The compensation is that we can duplicate the week gap to a Q/F game post our last Pool game and this has proved our achieves heel previously.

Accordingly, it's not unreasonable to presume that Ireland will have three Test Matches at the venues mentioned above and possibly two other games against Super Rugby or Maori opposition, ideally with one Test Match on a Sunday afternoon. The word from NZ is that all Irish fixtures are eagerly awaited and should attract full stadiums given the Irish successes of recent years.

There's no precise formula for International Tour Regulations between the top (20) Rugby Nations. However, the final details have to negotiated with World Rugby prior to confirmation. However, given the degree of advance preparation that Farrell prefers, there's a strong case that he may want to take a Tour Party of the biggest possible size. The RWC regulation is for 33 players, but the rumours suggest he may want to add a number of additional travellers given the difficulty & distance involved for the arrival of reinforcements in the event of injuries, coupled with his desire to try-out some Squad members.

The composition of a Tour Party is not pre-determined except for the International game requirements for front-row players - recently brought into sharp focus by events in the Ireland v Italy 6 Nations debacle. That said, the composition of a Squad will usually be based on the degree of versatility of the players selected and the relative strength in depth in certain positions.

Pre-existing Assumptions in Squad Selection

* Assume three hookers needed for each game - in case of pre-match injury;
* Assume three scrum-halves needed for each game - in case of pre-match injury;
* Assume 3 LHPs & 3 THP's for each game - in case of pre-match injury - unless 'dual player' e.g. Healy, available.

So that's probably 12 players selected to fill just four positions, it might be only 10 / 11 if Porter and Healy were considered 'dual-sided' props.

* Back Three positions are considered non-attritional, I.e. playing twice in a week is possible. Selection here will be based on strength in depth, say 2 FBs and 4 Wings;
* Selection of Centres will be focused on the available strengths. Say 4 selections;
* Selection of Out-halves often brings to mind the NZ experience of their home World Cup Final. Assume three selections, one of whom may also be a 'dual-option' possibly FB or No 12;
* Selection between 2nd Row and Back-rows can often be a function of the available players. Assume two Open-side flanker and two specialist No 8's. After that, some teams will have 3 Second-row only players and up to 3 versatile players who can play 5, 6 or 8;

By my calculation, and assuming only 11 automatic Front-row & SH selections, it will be hard to keep a Tour Party at 33 players and Faz may request approval for 35 players. It always seems a large number when it is anonymity. However, when you begin to list positions and names, it fills up very quickly.

Initial Selection - no injuries assumed

At the outset, it's realistic to assume no injuries. However, a brief scan of every Irish Tour Party to NZ since 2002 and there has been four, shows that one can predict we'll probably lose 3/4 players to injury prior to departure. Pressure of play-off games, the attrition of a long season, injury rehabilitation prior to RWC a year later, are all factors that will result in missing faces on Tour.

The names below are offered on the assumption that all will be fit to travel, regardless of their current state of health. Those in brackets are suggested as possible candidates, depending on numbers approved to travel

Front-Row Forwards
Furlong, Porter, Kelleher, Sheehan, Herring, Bealham, Healy, (O'Toole / J McGrath)

Second-row
Ryan, Henderson, Beirne, Baird, (J McCarthy / K Treadwell / R Molony)

Back-row
JVdF, Doris, Conan, O'Mahony, Timoney, Coombes, Leavy

Scrum-halves
JGP, Murray, (Casey / Marmion / Doak)

Out-halves
Sexton, Carbery, (Carty /Byrne R / Lowry)

Centres
Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose, Hume

Back Three
Keenan, Lowry, Conway, Lowe, Hansen, Baloucoune, Earls, (Larmour)

That 47 names in total (23 Forwards, 24 Backs), possibly a couple more than might be permitted. I've included extras in front-row, back-row, 2nd row, half-backs, back three but possibly doubled-up with Lowry. It's clear that, barring injury, there won't be any 'soft' selections. However, who knows? Hanson wasn't in too many selections prior to the Welsh game and Sheehan only figured on the Leinster fans' selections from Christmas.

What Andy Farrell would really love would be a Provincial out-half (other than J10) to dominate the next 8 weeks of the URC / EPCR headlines, or an under-estimated (or experienced former international) LHP to dominate a couple of SA front-row contests in the URC or a young second-row to take his chances in successive weeks of EPCR knockout games and demand selection based on performance.

None of those scenarios are impossible, but not that unlikely.

excellent post RTB

[ronk]

We get 33 players for the RWC. So it makes sense to plan on that basis. Maybe a few extras due to geography.

[ronk]

33 players is 2 starting 15s with 3 extra specialists (2 must be front rows).

Or it's a 23 with a spare bench + 2 extra players in non specialist positions.

It's highly likely that Ireland will again opt to send 8 front rows and thus free up a slot. This time it will be Healy switching though in preference to Porter.

8 front rows, 4 locks, 6 backrows (18 forwards).

3 scrumhalves (might get squeezed to 2 if Carbery is emergency cover), 3 outhalves (5 halfbacks)

10 outside backs covering 5 positions, which is luxury.

Assuming Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose are locked as centres. Stockdale is back in form for the RWC with Lowe and Hansen also in. Keenan is fullback. That leaves 3 and a need to cover centre, wing and fullback.

I wouldn't expect Carbery to start at 15 midweek so there'd still need to be someone. Versatility starts to complicate the last few places. e.g. Frawley or Lowry could cover outhalf (but they can't start there midweek and still cover their main positions). Wing situation is most open.

[blockhead]

Would like to see Healy given the summer off.

[ronk]

Backrow depth is also a big question right now. 4 are clear.

Support would be available from Beirne/Baird if they're not already used. Faz may well opt for 1 less back and bring an extra lock/backrow, especially if a 6-2 split is on the cards.

[ronk]

Would like to see Healy given the summer off.

He's 17 caps off BODs record. Even with Dooley off we have depth. I could see him getting a longer break at the other end of summer if he needs a break.

[betty swallocks]

New Zealand Rugby Union have confirmed that they will host Test Matches against Ireland in Auckland, Wellington and Dunedin in July 2022. In addition, their CEO Mark Robinson confirmed:

"We are still working on the prospect of mid-week matches against Ireland. There's nothing more to report on that officially, but work is going on behind the scenes with Irish rugby to look at that

Giving the forward-looking focus of Andy Farrell and his Management Team, combined with some of the comments of Jonny Sexton during the course of the 6 Nations campaign, it would be no surprise if Ireland were aiming for a five match Tour in a timeline that replicates their RWC 2023 fixtures as closely as possible. On a number of occasions over the past 8 weeks, both Faz and J10 have referenced the preparation for 6N's games as being viewed in parallel with what must be faced in a World Cup timetable.

There is a slight problem in this regard and this is the scheduled two-week gap between our South Africa Pool game on 23rd Sept 2023 and our final Pool game against Scotland on 7th October 2023. However, if Farrell et al were to 'ignore' our initial fixture against Spain and treat the other three fixtures and a Quarter-final game as akin to our NZ Tour Schedule, we could have the following:

Match 1: Ireland v Maori XV (RWC V Tonga) - Tuesday 28th June
Match 2: NZ v Ireland - 1st Test Auckland (RWC v S. AFRICA) - Sat 4th or Sun 5th Jul
Match 3: Hurricanes v Ire - Tues 7th Jul Wellington;
Match 4: NZ v Ireland -2nd Test Wellington (RWC v Scotland) Sun 12th Jul
Match 5: NZ v Ireland - 3rd Test Dunedin (RWC Q/F) Sat 18th Jul

The heavyweight week from 4th to 12th July is a tough ask, but as it's mid-tour it would be excellent preparation (and a week shorter) than our RWC itinerary. The compensation is that we can duplicate the week gap to a Q/F game post our last Pool game and this has proved our achieves heel previously.

Accordingly, it's not unreasonable to presume that Ireland will have three Test Matches at the venues mentioned above and possibly two other games against Super Rugby or Maori opposition, ideally with one Test Match on a Sunday afternoon. The word from NZ is that all Irish fixtures are eagerly awaited and should attract full stadiums given the Irish successes of recent years.

There's no precise formula for International Tour Regulations between the top (20) Rugby Nations. However, the final details have to negotiated with World Rugby prior to confirmation. However, given the degree of advance preparation that Farrell prefers, there's a strong case that he may want to take a Tour Party of the biggest possible size. The RWC regulation is for 33 players, but the rumours suggest he may want to add a number of additional travellers given the difficulty & distance involved for the arrival of reinforcements in the event of injuries, coupled with his desire to try-out some Squad members.

The composition of a Tour Party is not pre-determined except for the International game requirements for front-row players - recently brought into sharp focus by events in the Ireland v Italy 6 Nations debacle. That said, the composition of a Squad will usually be based on the degree of versatility of the players selected and the relative strength in depth in certain positions.

Pre-existing Assumptions in Squad Selection

* Assume three hookers needed for each game - in case of pre-match injury;
* Assume three scrum-halves needed for each game - in case of pre-match injury;
* Assume 3 LHPs & 3 THP's for each game - in case of pre-match injury - unless 'dual player' e.g. Healy, available.

So that's probably 12 players selected to fill just four positions, it might be only 10 / 11 if Porter and Healy were considered 'dual-sided' props.

* Back Three positions are considered non-attritional, I.e. playing twice in a week is possible. Selection here will be based on strength in depth, say 2 FBs and 4 Wings;
* Selection of Centres will be focused on the available strengths. Say 4 selections;
* Selection of Out-halves often brings to mind the NZ experience of their home World Cup Final. Assume three selections, one of whom may also be a 'dual-option' possibly FB or No 12;
* Selection between 2nd Row and Back-rows can often be a function of the available players. Assume two Open-side flanker and two specialist No 8's. After that, some teams will have 3 Second-row only players and up to 3 versatile players who can play 5, 6 or 8;

By my calculation, and assuming only 11 automatic Front-row & SH selections, it will be hard to keep a Tour Party at 33 players and Faz may request approval for 35 players. It always seems a large number when it is anonymity. However, when you begin to list positions and names, it fills up very quickly.

Initial Selection - no injuries assumed

At the outset, it's realistic to assume no injuries. However, a brief scan of every Irish Tour Party to NZ since 2002 and there has been four, shows that one can predict we'll probably lose 3/4 players to injury prior to departure. Pressure of play-off games, the attrition of a long season, injury rehabilitation prior to RWC a year later, are all factors that will result in missing faces on Tour.

The names below are offered on the assumption that all will be fit to travel, regardless of their current state of health. Those in brackets are suggested as possible candidates, depending on numbers approved to travel

Front-Row Forwards
Furlong, Porter, Kelleher, Sheehan, Herring, Bealham, Healy, (O'Toole / J McGrath)

Second-row
Ryan, Henderson, Beirne, Baird, (J McCarthy / K Treadwell / R Molony)

Back-row
JVdF, Doris, Conan, O'Mahony, Timoney, Coombes, Leavy

Scrum-halves
JGP, Murray, (Casey / Marmion / Doak)

Out-halves
Sexton, Carbery, (Carty /Byrne R / Lowry)

Centres
Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose, Hume

Back Three
Keenan, Lowry, Conway, Lowe, Hansen, Baloucoune, Earls, (Larmour)

That 47 names in total (23 Forwards, 24 Backs), possibly a couple more than might be permitted. I've included extras in front-row, back-row, 2nd row, half-backs, back three but possibly doubled-up with Lowry. It's clear that, barring injury, there won't be any 'soft' selections. However, who knows? Hanson wasn't in too many selections prior to the Welsh game and Sheehan only figured on the Leinster fans' selections from Christmas.

What Andy Farrell would really love would be a Provincial out-half (other than J10) to dominate the next 8 weeks of the URC / EPCR headlines, or an under-estimated (or experienced former international) LHP to dominate a couple of SA front-row contests in the URC or a young second-row to take his chances in successive weeks of EPCR knockout games and demand selection based on performance.

None of those scenarios are impossible, but not that unlikely.

excellent post RTB

Thornbury could be a bolter in the second row (tight head lock and excellent line out option) if his return from injury this weekend sees him build up a decent body of work between now and the end of the season.

[Oldschool]

Could see Hume and/or one of the BT losing out to HByrne/Fawley
Leave has a lot of ground to make up, Deegan might be in the running

[Ruckedtobits]

Could see Hume and/or one of the BT losing out to HByrne/Fawley
Leave has a lot of ground to make up, Deegan might be in the running

Anybody who puts their hand up over the next 8 weeks could get in. But none of the three mentioned have submitted anything like a compelling case to date.

[Peg Leg]

Any chance Jager gets a cap on this tour?

[Peg Leg]

Any chance Jager gets a cap on this tour?

Preferably for Ireland

[Ruckedtobits]

Two players from 'out of town' who produced big performances today were LHP M. Brennan and M, Olding when Brive beat Castres. Coach Davidson was very complimentary about both of them.

[ronk]

It might change in the future but Brennan would need to be start for Ireland good for the IRFU to consider the possibility at this juncture.

I don't know how much better than that Olding would need to be but it's enough that it's moot.

[suisse]

Scared shitless of the 10 situation on tour. Carbery is going but listening to former players, journalists and extras on various podcasts and tv clips since the start of the championship, they all hit a stone wall in their analysis of Carbery within a minute of the discussion. Assumed he'll be there and he'll start and, worryingly, it'll all be okay. Have seen nothing to justify this misplaced confidence.

I think, of the 5 games, Sexton starts 2 and Carbery starts 2. I don't know about the 5th game. We're in big, big trouble when (not if) Carbery underperforms. What's next? Who's next?

[riocard911]

Scared shitless of the 10 situation on tour. Carbery is going but listening to former players, journalists and extras on various podcasts and tv clips since the start of the championship, they all hit a stone wall in their analysis of Carbery within a minute of the discussion. Assumed he'll be there and he'll start and, worryingly, it'll all be okay. Have seen nothing to justify this misplaced confidence.

I think, of the 5 games, Sexton starts 2 and Carbery starts 2. I don't know about the 5th game. We're in big, big trouble when (not if) Carbery underperforms. What's next? Who's next?

My dream scenario is our Harry gets decent game time in the latter end of the Leinster season, grabs his chances, proves what he able to do on the pitch and makes the plane.

Either that or Healy is the one who does it. Carbery's a busted flush. Think we're all in agreement on that.

[Dexter]

Scared shitless of the 10 situation on tour. Carbery is going but listening to former players, journalists and extras on various podcasts and tv clips since the start of the championship, they all hit a stone wall in their analysis of Carbery within a minute of the discussion. Assumed he'll be there and he'll start and, worryingly, it'll all be okay. Have seen nothing to justify this misplaced confidence.

I think, of the 5 games, Sexton starts 2 and Carbery starts 2. I don't know about the 5th game. We're in big, big trouble when (not if) Carbery underperforms. What's next? Who's next?

Ross is the man! Statistically anyway.
Btw on tv last night they showed Ross with 13 caps and Carty 11, which I thought was wrong but it seems it's true. I was surprised.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

After the Munster game at the weekend I can see Kendellan bolting for this tour. He’s versatile, a leader, a brilliant player in every respect, and I think he’s got that sheer bloody mindedness that will make it impossible not to select him regardless of his age. Personally I think he’ll make the World Cup squad so would get him in now and play him against the Maori. I’d say largely the same about McCarthy.

It’s a big couple of weeks for a few others who’ll want to make it. If Marty keeps up his form then I think we have to have a look at him in NZ. If he’s not up to it then so be it but at least we’ve had a look. We also need TOT to kick on and hopefully they drive each other on.

Josh Wycherley could well come out the far end of the Exeter matches being first choice for Munster. I like Loughman but there were lots of examples of him being lazy at the breakdown against us.

There are too many backs to mention but I hope Frawley sees some game time against Connacht and that himself and Harry Byrne start both games in SA.

[Jcahill1]

After the Munster game at the weekend I can see Kendellan bolting for this tour. He’s versatile, a leader, a brilliant player in every respect, and I think he’s got that sheer bloody mindedness that will make it impossible not to select him regardless of his age. Personally I think he’ll make the World Cup squad so would get him in now and play him against the Maori. I’d say largely the same about McCarthy.

It’s a big couple of weeks for a few others who’ll want to make it. If Marty keeps up his form then I think we have to have a look at him in NZ. If he’s not up to it then so be it but at least we’ve had a look. We also need TOT to kick on and hopefully they drive each other on.

Josh Wycherley could well come out the far end of the Exeter matches being first choice for Munster. I like Loughman but there were lots of examples of him being lazy at the breakdown against us.

There are too many backs to mention but I hope Frawley sees some game time against Connacht and that himself and Harry Byrne start both games in SA.

The only thing about Kendellen that doesn't impress me is his carrying. However for me that is a huge asterisk, we have too many good backrowers who can carry.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

I’m not concerned but he’s certainly more of a Jordi than a Doris right now. I think his close in carrying is very good though, nearly as effective as it was for the 20’s. It would have been nice to see him with Coombes on Saturday, I’d imagine Kendellan would look even better then.

I’m a fan of Hodnett as well but I don’t see JVG dropping Cloete so not sure how much game time he’ll get for the rest of the season.