Message to team and coach.
It's the golden rule in NZ rugby.
ALWAYS TAKE YOUR POINTS.
Now ask yourself who is the best team in the world and why.
And what's their golden rule again????
It is that obvious and that simple.
And if feel you've been patronised, then you are right.. AGAIN
Anyway we are now in transition so here's hoping Joe will introduce a few necessary changes over the next few games.
Some of them will happen because of injuries in any event but I hope they'll be made with an eye to the future.
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After watching the scrum yesterday I'm already having visions of *that* game in Twickenham. You know the one I mean
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Hopefully the return of Mike Ross will at least give us a (respectable) 40-60 loss in the scrums. White will probably be on the bench ahead of Furlong. Healy presumably will beat James Cronin to the bench, who Joe seems very reluctant to trust even for five minutes.
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sorry for stuck record-ing but which side Toner goes on will matter too
my worry would be England start Vunipola but we end last 30 with Marler v White and then we could be in trouble
good news from Italy game is Dan Cole must be in league with Indo-Russian mafia gambling syndicates over how many penalties he can give away
my worry would be England start Vunipola but we end last 30 with Marler v White and then we could be in trouble
good news from Italy game is Dan Cole must be in league with Indo-Russian mafia gambling syndicates over how many penalties he can give away
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Really worried about this. Don't think we've been that bad so far, the refereeing of the scrum against Wales and then again against France, as well as several other terrible decisions cost us hugely. I was disappointed with parts of the French game alright, don't know how we failed to either expose Vakatawa through the boot, or create space by making him worry about us kicking behind him. Kearney had a mare but don't remember anyone else being particularly poor aside from the defence for the try and Toner's braindead penalty. Actually there was Madigan's restart too, had almost managed to forget that. We should have done better regardles of the injuries and unfair refereeing but we definitely deserved to be further ahead before the French bench overpowered us.
The thing that worries me is that neither the French or the Welsh actually managed to beat us up where we're weak in the front five. Yeah there were a few scrums that destroyed us legally but by and large we've been fine. England are a different kettle of fish though, they have a seriously beefy front five and can replace them all and keep the power going for 80 mins. They'll be gunning for us and for the championship and we've nothing to play for really. I believe McCarthy may actually be out for 12 weeks, huge ask for Dillane to counter the English pack on his debut, even if it is just off the bench. One area that Jones has really improved is their kick chase. It's seriously aggressive and I reckon their powers in that regard could blow us away, especially with how weak Zebo and Rob have been at fullback over the last couple of weeks.
Not sure how likely Payne is to be fit but I hope we see him at 15 if he is. I can understand why Joe would want his defence at 13 (it really is world class) and why he'd want Rob's solidity at 15 (he didn't offer it on Saturday but you'd expect him to be better next time) and that he might feel the need to circle the wagons and keep things steady given that we haven't won a game yet and could well take a hiding in this game, but I'd take the opposite view and say that we've nothing to play for so may as well try McCloskey and Henshaw together to see what they can do in a huge game so that they've experience of playing together/in those positios if they're needed for the first test in SA or against NZ in Chicago...or indeed of they just play brilliantly and earn the jerseys outright and Payne is considered more at fullback.
At this stage I'm really just hoping to keep the score down and get a couple of positive performances from the young lads though, really don't expect more than that.
The thing that worries me is that neither the French or the Welsh actually managed to beat us up where we're weak in the front five. Yeah there were a few scrums that destroyed us legally but by and large we've been fine. England are a different kettle of fish though, they have a seriously beefy front five and can replace them all and keep the power going for 80 mins. They'll be gunning for us and for the championship and we've nothing to play for really. I believe McCarthy may actually be out for 12 weeks, huge ask for Dillane to counter the English pack on his debut, even if it is just off the bench. One area that Jones has really improved is their kick chase. It's seriously aggressive and I reckon their powers in that regard could blow us away, especially with how weak Zebo and Rob have been at fullback over the last couple of weeks.
Not sure how likely Payne is to be fit but I hope we see him at 15 if he is. I can understand why Joe would want his defence at 13 (it really is world class) and why he'd want Rob's solidity at 15 (he didn't offer it on Saturday but you'd expect him to be better next time) and that he might feel the need to circle the wagons and keep things steady given that we haven't won a game yet and could well take a hiding in this game, but I'd take the opposite view and say that we've nothing to play for so may as well try McCloskey and Henshaw together to see what they can do in a huge game so that they've experience of playing together/in those positios if they're needed for the first test in SA or against NZ in Chicago...or indeed of they just play brilliantly and earn the jerseys outright and Payne is considered more at fullback.
At this stage I'm really just hoping to keep the score down and get a couple of positive performances from the young lads though, really don't expect more than that.
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Yeah, the tight five would worry you. We pretty much have to play a more open game. I'm not one of these people giving out about Schmidt's style with Ireland or comparing us to the SH teams, I just think if we play it tight we're playing to their strengths.
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Payne is more than likely out of this game though isnt he?
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Think you might find Dev's braindead penalty was actually called against the number 4 (Mc Carthy) not rolling away...even the commentators blamed Dev but Jackson could be cleary heard saying it was number 4 not rolling awayLeRouxIsPHat wrote:Really worried about this. Don't think we've been that bad so far, the refereeing of the scrum against Wales and then again against France, as well as several other terrible decisions cost us hugely. I was disappointed with parts of the French game alright, don't know how we failed to either expose Vakatawa through the boot, or create space by making him worry about us kicking behind him. Kearney had a mare but don't remember anyone else being particularly poor aside from the defence for the try and Toner's braindead penalty. Actually there was Madigan's restart too, had almost managed to forget that. We should have done better regardles of the injuries and unfair refereeing but we definitely deserved to be further ahead before the French bench overpowered us.
The thing that worries me is that neither the French or the Welsh actually managed to beat us up where we're weak in the front five. Yeah there were a few scrums that destroyed us legally but by and large we've been fine. England are a different kettle of fish though, they have a seriously beefy front five and can replace them all and keep the power going for 80 mins. They'll be gunning for us and for the championship and we've nothing to play for really. I believe McCarthy may actually be out for 12 weeks, huge ask for Dillane to counter the English pack on his debut, even if it is just off the bench. One area that Jones has really improved is their kick chase. It's seriously aggressive and I reckon their powers in that regard could blow us away, especially with how weak Zebo and Rob have been at fullback over the last couple of weeks.
Not sure how likely Payne is to be fit but I hope we see him at 15 if he is. I can understand why Joe would want his defence at 13 (it really is world class) and why he'd want Rob's solidity at 15 (he didn't offer it on Saturday but you'd expect him to be better next time) and that he might feel the need to circle the wagons and keep things steady given that we haven't won a game yet and could well take a hiding in this game, but I'd take the opposite view and say that we've nothing to play for so may as well try McCloskey and Henshaw together to see what they can do in a huge game so that they've experience of playing together/in those positios if they're needed for the first test in SA or against NZ in Chicago...or indeed of they just play brilliantly and earn the jerseys outright and Payne is considered more at fullback.
At this stage I'm really just hoping to keep the score down and get a couple of positive performances from the young lads though, really don't expect more than that.
Didn't think Rob was half as bad as you say but would be happy to see Mc Closkey with Henshaw in the centre for England
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READING ANYTHING INTO Ireland’s open training sessions under Joe Schmidt is dangerous, but it was interesting nonetheless to note that Josh van der Flier, Ultan Dillane and Stuart McCloskey had remained with the group yesterday.
Schmidt’s notably-reduced squad trained against the Ireland U20s on Mullingar RFC’s superb new 4G pitch at the end of a short camp this week, as their attention turned towards a visit to Twickenham next weekend.
While the likes of Tommy O’Donnell, Donnacha Ryan, Ian Madigan, Rhys Ruddock, Paddy Jackson and Kieran Marmion were released back to their provinces to garner game time, the aforementioned and uncapped trio remained with Schmidt.
Of all of those men, McCloskey is arguably the most interesting prospect for Ireland. His physical stature, dynamism, offloading game and choke tackling are all attractive features, especially with some doubt around Jared Payne’s hamstring injury.
Openside flanker Sean O’Brien is out of the rest of the Six Nations, so is there temptation to give van der Flier a hard-earned debut against an England side that has struggled at the breakdown so far in this Six Nations?
What of Dillane’s claims in the second row now that Mike McCarthy’s season may be at a worrying end? Munster man Ryan will be backed to start, but Dillane will surely now see game time off the Ireland bench at least.
Appearances for all three in Twickenham seem a little unlikely, but speaking after the session against the Ireland U20s, Schmidt indicated that there will be fresh faces in the coming weeks.
“[McCloskey] is actually bigger than all our loose forwards,” said Schmidt. “He is sizeable and he has been working on a few things even post-training with us and we are seeing some good reward from that.
“I think you will see guys over the next three games that you probably haven’t seen in the tournament so far. I don’t know which of the games or which number of the games, but I think in the last two Six Nations we have been hanging in tooth and nail fighting for the wins that we needed or the [points] differential that we needed.
“We haven’t been in this position where mathematically we are a chance but realistically the chance is a long-shot, where we actually get a window of opportunity to maybe blood a few new guys and chase results at the same time.
“I don’t think it is going to change our outlook in what we want to achieve but it is going to give us an opportunity to maybe look at a few guys like the big fella [McCloskey] there and a few others.”
The introduction of McCloskey would certainly add something new to the mix in midfield for Ireland if Payne’s hamstring issue does not clear in time for England. The Ulsterman at 12 and Robbie Henshaw shifted to 13 would hugely excite Ireland’s supporters.
McCloskey’s offloading game might add an additional threat for Schmidt’s side when they attack, an area of the game that has caused renewed debate in rugby circles this week.
The likes of former Ireland flanker Shane Jennings feels Ireland need to make better decisions out on the pitch when in possession.
Schmidt himself believes Ireland’s attacking efforts against France last time out were not of the sufficient standard, and that they need to bring a renewed accuracy against the English.
“I think a couple of times that opened them up… we were fading on the ball all the time,” said Schmidt. “I thought it was really poor that we didn’t convert a couple of chances that we should have done better with.
“We were obviously disappointed that the referee didn’t go upstairs because he would have seen that it was a try [for Dave Kearney], but I think it was fairly reported that if the pass was accurate, the hole had been opened up and when you open a hole, you’ve just got to be accurate.
So, those fine margins just have to be finished by us. It is one of the things that has allowed us to maybe get our noses in front in the last two Six Nations.
“If you look at some of tries that we have scored and I know that people will always want more tries, but some of the tries that we did score last year and the year before, there was some last time we went to Twickenham. You don’t get those tries if there’s not a number of things lined up that are very accurate.
“The decisions, the accuracy, the timing, the quality of the transfer; they are all elements that are moving parts that you try and get as synchronised as possible.
“We haven’t quite been synchronised enough or made quite the right decisions at the right times. Because physically you may not have the same power or strength as your opponent, then there’s a challenge for us to be even more accurate if we can be.”
Schmidt’s notably-reduced squad trained against the Ireland U20s on Mullingar RFC’s superb new 4G pitch at the end of a short camp this week, as their attention turned towards a visit to Twickenham next weekend.
While the likes of Tommy O’Donnell, Donnacha Ryan, Ian Madigan, Rhys Ruddock, Paddy Jackson and Kieran Marmion were released back to their provinces to garner game time, the aforementioned and uncapped trio remained with Schmidt.
Of all of those men, McCloskey is arguably the most interesting prospect for Ireland. His physical stature, dynamism, offloading game and choke tackling are all attractive features, especially with some doubt around Jared Payne’s hamstring injury.
Openside flanker Sean O’Brien is out of the rest of the Six Nations, so is there temptation to give van der Flier a hard-earned debut against an England side that has struggled at the breakdown so far in this Six Nations?
What of Dillane’s claims in the second row now that Mike McCarthy’s season may be at a worrying end? Munster man Ryan will be backed to start, but Dillane will surely now see game time off the Ireland bench at least.
Appearances for all three in Twickenham seem a little unlikely, but speaking after the session against the Ireland U20s, Schmidt indicated that there will be fresh faces in the coming weeks.
“[McCloskey] is actually bigger than all our loose forwards,” said Schmidt. “He is sizeable and he has been working on a few things even post-training with us and we are seeing some good reward from that.
“I think you will see guys over the next three games that you probably haven’t seen in the tournament so far. I don’t know which of the games or which number of the games, but I think in the last two Six Nations we have been hanging in tooth and nail fighting for the wins that we needed or the [points] differential that we needed.
“We haven’t been in this position where mathematically we are a chance but realistically the chance is a long-shot, where we actually get a window of opportunity to maybe blood a few new guys and chase results at the same time.
“I don’t think it is going to change our outlook in what we want to achieve but it is going to give us an opportunity to maybe look at a few guys like the big fella [McCloskey] there and a few others.”
The introduction of McCloskey would certainly add something new to the mix in midfield for Ireland if Payne’s hamstring issue does not clear in time for England. The Ulsterman at 12 and Robbie Henshaw shifted to 13 would hugely excite Ireland’s supporters.
McCloskey’s offloading game might add an additional threat for Schmidt’s side when they attack, an area of the game that has caused renewed debate in rugby circles this week.
The likes of former Ireland flanker Shane Jennings feels Ireland need to make better decisions out on the pitch when in possession.
Schmidt himself believes Ireland’s attacking efforts against France last time out were not of the sufficient standard, and that they need to bring a renewed accuracy against the English.
“I think a couple of times that opened them up… we were fading on the ball all the time,” said Schmidt. “I thought it was really poor that we didn’t convert a couple of chances that we should have done better with.
“We were obviously disappointed that the referee didn’t go upstairs because he would have seen that it was a try [for Dave Kearney], but I think it was fairly reported that if the pass was accurate, the hole had been opened up and when you open a hole, you’ve just got to be accurate.
So, those fine margins just have to be finished by us. It is one of the things that has allowed us to maybe get our noses in front in the last two Six Nations.
“If you look at some of tries that we have scored and I know that people will always want more tries, but some of the tries that we did score last year and the year before, there was some last time we went to Twickenham. You don’t get those tries if there’s not a number of things lined up that are very accurate.
“The decisions, the accuracy, the timing, the quality of the transfer; they are all elements that are moving parts that you try and get as synchronised as possible.
“We haven’t quite been synchronised enough or made quite the right decisions at the right times. Because physically you may not have the same power or strength as your opponent, then there’s a challenge for us to be even more accurate if we can be.”
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Im pleasantly surprised especially on McCloskey
IMO JVDF a bit small for international rugby (at present)
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I'd be worried about VDF because he just hasn't really played much, especially in big games. Same with Dillane, playing that English pack in Twickenham when they're on a bit of a roll and we're at a reasonably low ebb and under pressure...
They're both very talented and not flair players so should be able to just get stuck in and not be knocked around too much but I just have an awful feeling that ill be watching this through my fingers.
They're both very talented and not flair players so should be able to just get stuck in and not be knocked around too much but I just have an awful feeling that ill be watching this through my fingers.
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Squad this week.. Furlong out with thigh injury;
Forwards (18)
Finlay Bealham (Corinthians/Connacht)*
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain
Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht)*
David Foley (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) Vice Captain
Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster)
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
CJ Stander (Munster)
Richardt Strauss (Old Wesley/Leinster)
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)*
Nathan White (Connacht)
Backs (16)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Craig Gilroy (Dungannon/Ulster)
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Patrick Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht)
Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster)
Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster)*
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Jared Payne (Ulster)
Eoin Reddan (Old Crescent/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster)
We'll probably see Ross starting and Earls in on the wing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe go for Ruddock as 2nd row cover and shoehorn Murphy on to the bench (as much as I don't like it).
Forwards (18)
Finlay Bealham (Corinthians/Connacht)*
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain
Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht)*
David Foley (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) Vice Captain
Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster)
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
CJ Stander (Munster)
Richardt Strauss (Old Wesley/Leinster)
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)*
Nathan White (Connacht)
Backs (16)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Craig Gilroy (Dungannon/Ulster)
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Patrick Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht)
Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster)
Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster)*
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Jared Payne (Ulster)
Eoin Reddan (Old Crescent/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster)
We'll probably see Ross starting and Earls in on the wing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe go for Ruddock as 2nd row cover and shoehorn Murphy on to the bench (as much as I don't like it).
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Lets hope to Batman none of the 3 get near the matchday squad
Dave Foley, Jordi Murphy and Craig Gilroy have been drafted in to Ireland's battered and bruised panel for Saturday's RBS 6 Nations trip to Twickenham.
Cian Healy and Mike Ross return to the squad after proving their fitness, while Tadgh Furlong and Rob Herring are both suffering with thigh muscle injuries so will stay with Leinster and Ulster respectively to rehabilitate.
Ireland squad [v England] - Forwards: Finlay Bealham, Rory Best [Capt], Sean Cronin, Ultan Dillane, David Foley, Cian Healy, Jamie Heaslip, Jack McGrath, Jordi Murphy, Tommy O'Donnell, Mike Ross, Rhys Ruddock, Donnacha Ryan, CJ Stander, Richardt Strauss, Devin Toner, Josh van der Flier, Nathan White
Backs: Keith Earls, Craig Gilroy, Robbie Henshaw, Patrick Jackson, Rob Kearney, Ian Madigan, Kieran Marmion, Luke Marshall, Stuart McCloskey, Fergus McFadden,Conor Murray, Jared Payne, Eoin Reddan,
Jonathan Sexton, Andrew Trimble, Simon Zebo
Dave Foley, Jordi Murphy and Craig Gilroy have been drafted in to Ireland's battered and bruised panel for Saturday's RBS 6 Nations trip to Twickenham.
Cian Healy and Mike Ross return to the squad after proving their fitness, while Tadgh Furlong and Rob Herring are both suffering with thigh muscle injuries so will stay with Leinster and Ulster respectively to rehabilitate.
Ireland squad [v England] - Forwards: Finlay Bealham, Rory Best [Capt], Sean Cronin, Ultan Dillane, David Foley, Cian Healy, Jamie Heaslip, Jack McGrath, Jordi Murphy, Tommy O'Donnell, Mike Ross, Rhys Ruddock, Donnacha Ryan, CJ Stander, Richardt Strauss, Devin Toner, Josh van der Flier, Nathan White
Backs: Keith Earls, Craig Gilroy, Robbie Henshaw, Patrick Jackson, Rob Kearney, Ian Madigan, Kieran Marmion, Luke Marshall, Stuart McCloskey, Fergus McFadden,Conor Murray, Jared Payne, Eoin Reddan,
Jonathan Sexton, Andrew Trimble, Simon Zebo
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So to out some meat on the injury sandwich.
Kearney
Trimble
Earls (Payne assumed injured)
Henshaw
Zebo
Sexton
Murray
McGrath
Best
Ross
Toner
Ryan
Stander
Ruddock
Heaslip
Healy
Strauss
White
Dillane
TOD
Reddan
Madigan
A.N.Other depends on Payne's fitness. Could even be a specialist centre.
Joe will be very averse to starting any new caps in this game.
Ruddock to start because of his size and physicality.
If Payne is fit then Earls to the wing.
Madigan is there for his kicking more than anything else at this stage.
Kearney
Trimble
Earls (Payne assumed injured)
Henshaw
Zebo
Sexton
Murray
McGrath
Best
Ross
Toner
Ryan
Stander
Ruddock
Heaslip
Healy
Strauss
White
Dillane
TOD
Reddan
Madigan
A.N.Other depends on Payne's fitness. Could even be a specialist centre.
Joe will be very averse to starting any new caps in this game.
Ruddock to start because of his size and physicality.
If Payne is fit then Earls to the wing.
Madigan is there for his kicking more than anything else at this stage.
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Have to say I'm surprised at how quickly people are lining up to sh*t on Madigan. Wasn't too long ago we hammered France in the WC and were singing his praises.
Jackson is the better starting 10 but Madigan is can challenge defenses in a way that Jackson probably cant (riskier as that is). Joe's been selecting on that basis for a while. I'd like to see Paddy start more frequently but I still prefer to see Madigan on the bench.
Jackson is the better starting 10 but Madigan is can challenge defenses in a way that Jackson probably cant (riskier as that is). Joe's been selecting on that basis for a while. I'd like to see Paddy start more frequently but I still prefer to see Madigan on the bench.
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I would have agreed in the past but in the last couple of games he's made errors at key times that has seen the games run away from us (e.g. aimless kicks against Wales that conceded territory and possession and put us under pressure as well as the obvious kick out on the full against France from which we never really recovered).Logorrhea wrote:Have to say I'm surprised at how quickly people are lining up to sh*t on Madigan. Wasn't too long ago we hammered France in the WC and were singing his praises.
Jackson is the better starting 10 but Madigan is can challenge defenses in a way that Jackson probably cant (riskier as that is). Joe's been selecting on that basis for a while. I'd like to see Paddy start more frequently but I still prefer to see Madigan on the bench.
For me it's time to give Jackson a shot. Only caveat is that it does complicate the choice for #23 - who can cover 11-15 realistically?
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I think Jackson is far better at challenging defences, it's place kicking and versatility that Mads has over him although I'm not sure the former is much of an advantage anymore. As much as I don't like it, the latter reason is fair enough.
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if we go RK Trimble Payne Henshaw Earls we need wing cover + Madigan
if we go RK Trimble Earls Henshaw Zebo then McCloskey adequately covers backline
if we go RK Trimbe Henshaw McCloskey Earls we need wing cover + Madigan
if we go RK Trimble Earls Henshaw Zebo then McCloskey adequately covers backline
if we go RK Trimbe Henshaw McCloskey Earls we need wing cover + Madigan
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It's the latter reason I don't like. We need the better out half replacement on the bench.LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I think Jackson is far better at challenging defences, it's place kicking and versatility that Mads has over him although I'm not sure the former is much of an advantage anymore. As much as I don't like it, the latter reason is fair enough.
When Madser is on form and the gang are on the same page its wonderful stuff. But when we need to be successful at the basics he can sometimes take on too much and try the high risk stuff.
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Re: England v Ireland 6Ns 2016
Courtney Lawes drops out of the squad to make way for Daly, meaning Jones will have a five-to-three split on the bench in favour of the forwards having named six among the replacements versus Italy.
Forwards: Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Jack Clifford (Harlequins) , Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Paul Hill (Northampton Saints), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens).
Backs: Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Alex Goode (Saracens), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).
Forwards: Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Jack Clifford (Harlequins) , Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Paul Hill (Northampton Saints), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens).
Backs: Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Alex Goode (Saracens), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).
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