Rugby World Cup (other teams)

[simonokeeffe]

Its almost as if adding Argentina have improved the rugby championship in general (and soon Super Rugby)

Imagine if Boks had a decent coach, and theyre lucky De Villiers got injured

Australia were sloppy but a decent kicking performance and they would have been home and hosed, think thats the worst/first awful game I've ever seen AAC have

Scarily Japan are the only non Quad Nations team to beat a Quad nations team

first time in 70 years theyve been scary, but thats some stat

France have been steadily declining the last 4 years if not more, Scotland are turning things around thanks to Glasgow and a bit of Cotter but dont have the pro teams or player base or structures to be contenders ever again, Italy have gotten worse, so the standard of the 6 nations is slipping when it needs to be improving

[leinster4life13]

Look at the domestic game in Ireland, Wales, Scotland. Dead on its feet, we are always punching above our weight due to not having a secondary competition, a pan european pro 12 second division or alternate conference systems with national selections from Spain, Georgia etc would add more games more money and more players needed. England and France have the competitions, the money, the players, they just have piss poor organisations running things. If either mimic what the DFB (in football) are doing they will dominate NH rugby and eventually the world, they have the resources, just no brain.

[VGE]

Look at the domestic game in Ireland, Wales, Scotland. Dead on its feet, we are always punching above our weight due to not having a secondary competition, a pan european pro 12 second division or alternate conference systems with national selections from Spain, Georgia etc would add more games more money and more players needed. England and France have the competitions, the money, the players, they just have piss poor organisations running things. If either mimic what the DFB (in football) are doing they will dominate NH rugby and eventually the world, they have the resources, just no brain.

But i really agree with you. Graham, is that you?

Une compétition «ridicule» où les joueurs «sont mal entraînés et surpayés». L'ancien entraîneur de All Blacks Graham Henry (2004-2011) n'a pas mâché ses mots au moment d'évoquer le Top 14 après la correction infligée par la Nouvelle-Zélande au XV de France en quarts de finale de la Coupe du monde (62-13), samedi à Cardiff. Le jeu dans le Championnat de France est «pauvre», a appuyé Henry, interrogé par la radio Newstalk ZB, avant d'affirmer : «c'est le championnat professionnel le plus riche mais il ne sort aucun joueur.»

Henry a surtout regretté que plusieurs All Blacks de renom, Dan Carter (Racing), Ma'a Nonu (Toulon) ou encore Conrad Smith (Pau), rejoignent le Top 14 après la Coupe du monde : «Nos joueurs - et je dis ça alors que je les aime beaucoup - s'en vont là bas pour se constituer un capital retraite et je peux le comprendre, mais ils jouent dans une compétition ridicule, où tout est fait pour les sponsors et la télévision. Ils ruinent juste le rugby français. Vous avez pu le voir ce soir (samedi) : les Français ont fait ce qu'ils ont pu mais il y avait plusieurs classes d'écart avec nos joueurs.»


I don't translate. I,think you understand.

Canal + is happy, I guess the players too.




Au revoir.

[simonokeeffe]

whoops

loads of vines going round of the last penalty in Scotland game, reverse angle (blindside from ref) shows Phipps knocks it back so not Scottish knock on & offside!

[Ruckedtobits]

If that happened to us, we'ed have questions in the Dail and Stormont and an appeal directly to World Rugby (and a compensation payment of £Stg5m).

Terrible refereeing. OK, he couldn't use TMO, but he could have spoken to assistant refs and taken his time to get it right. That's the second time, Joubert has decided who would not win the RWC!

[FLIP]

If that happened to us, we'ed have questions in the Dail and Stormont and an appeal directly to World Rugby (and a compensation payment of £Stg5m).

Terrible refereeing. OK, he couldn't use TMO, but he could have spoken to assistant refs and taken his time to get it right. That's the second time, Joubert has decided who would not win the RWC!

It did happen to us. Just with 30 minutes left in the game and no second yellow. Why would we have done anything, its not like we've ever complained about all the other times we've been ruined by a game changing decision.

[simonokeeffe]

World Rugby throwing him under the bus is a stupid precedent

Encourages abuse of match officials and makes it harder to retain experienced ones

[FLIP]

World Rugby throwing him under the bus is a stupid precedent

Encourages abuse of match officials and makes it harder to retain experienced ones

It's about time we got rid of the ethos of professional referees never being wrong. They are paid to be unbiased and get things right. Part of that is accepting their failings.

[kermischocolate]

World Rugby throwing him under the bus is a stupid precedent

Encourages abuse of match officials and makes it harder to retain experienced ones

Couldn't agree more.

[Twist]

Look at the domestic game in Ireland, Wales, Scotland. Dead on its feet, we are always punching above our weight due to not having a secondary competition, a pan european pro 12 second division or alternate conference systems with national selections from Spain, Georgia etc would add more games more money and more players needed. England and France have the competitions, the money, the players, they just have piss poor organisations running things. If either mimic what the DFB (in football) are doing they will dominate NH rugby and eventually the world, they have the resources, just no brain.

I immediately love the idea of Georgian, Spanish and Romanian selections in the Pro12 set up. Maybe a second division? (It wouldn't need to have 12 teams) With a relegation/promotion play-off. I'd envision every Georgian that isn't playing for a big money club playing on such a team, like the Argie Super Rugby team.

[simonokeeffe]

World Rugby throwing him under the bus is a stupid precedent

Encourages abuse of match officials and makes it harder to retain experienced ones

It's about time we got rid of the ethos of professional referees never being wrong. They are paid to be unbiased and get things right. Part of that is accepting their failings.

accept the failings in an internal review, at worst after the tournament, at best railroading him like this a few hours later is a cynical attempt to drum up publicity

would a coach do that to a player? no

[FLIP]

World Rugby throwing him under the bus is a stupid precedent

Encourages abuse of match officials and makes it harder to retain experienced ones

It's about time we got rid of the ethos of professional referees never being wrong. They are paid to be unbiased and get things right. Part of that is accepting their failings.

accept the failings in an internal review, at worst after the tournament, at best railroading him like this a few hours later is a cynical attempt to drum up publicity

would a coach do that to a player? no

Justice has no place behind closed doors. A player is part of a team and a system. Referees are the sole decision makers and have the ability to change a game entirely.

[simonokeeffe]

why not interview ref straight after the game on a big screen and show replays?

they have to be accountable ie promoted or demoted based on performance same as with players but their (World Rugby) timing is way off

[FLIP]

Until now though they haven't been accountable. They miss a game or two, and are then back at the same level with no change in what they do. And these actions weren't ever announced, there was a culture omerta from the IRB.

This is the first time in my recollection that this has happened.

[simonokeeffe]

Theyve conceded refs made (big) mistakes after other games, definitely happened to Poite although would have to check which tournament

its also been leaked that Paddy O'Brien apologised over decisions made by other refs

Whether thats the way to go is one thing but right after a game is not right at all, binning someone over one interpretation is wrong

the TJ from our quick throw in episode in Cardiff was binned but that was 2 or 3 errors on point of laws in one incident, not an interpretation/something he didnt see

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Not a fan of Joubert but really I just want to know why he ran off...never seen anything like it.

[Dave Cahill]

Until now though they haven't been accountable. They miss a game or two, and are then back at the same level with no change in what they do. And these actions weren't ever announced, there was a culture omerta from the IRB.

This is the first time in my recollection that this has happened.

Of course they're accountable, more so than anyone else in the game. They are reviewed after every match with inputs from a variety of sources and are answerable to the governing body, their union, their association and their club. Who they aren't accountable to is to those who can't grasp one simple, solitary fact. It wasn't a penalty, it wasn't a yellow card, the Ref was correct.

[simonokeeffe]

Not a fan of Joubert but really I just want to know why he ran off...never seen anything like it.

he needed the loo

[OTT]

Theyve conceded refs made (big) mistakes after other games, definitely happened to Poite although would have to check which tournament

its also been leaked that Paddy O'Brien apologised over decisions made by other refs

Whether thats the way to go is one thing but right after a game is not right at all, binning someone over one interpretation is wrong

the TJ from our quick throw in episode in Cardiff was binned but that was 2 or 3 errors on point of laws in one incident, not an interpretation/something he didnt see

Did blind Dave and Wayne Barnes get dropped a few years back for a few weeks maybe in a 6 nations or Euro knockout after a poor performance? Maybe it was just me dreaming.

Agree with you about throwing refs under buses being ridiculous, its already a very unattractive profession without trying to turn away more people from becoming a ref, it will only make the standard worse because no one decent would be bothered.

[Dave Cahill]

Not a fan of Joubert but really I just want to know why he ran off...never seen anything like it.

he needed the loo

According to Cheika someone threw a bottle at him - could he not have used that?