2024 - Autumn - Ireland vs New Zealand

[MylesNaGapoleen]

that's some team. not a fan of the evening kick offs but we beat them under the floodlights with schmidt....and that neat chip by Stockdale.
looking forward to it but I cannot see the bookies having anyone as favourites. other than us having crowley at 10, being a weak spot, I see this as an evens game. anyone can win.

[Laighin Break]

rumours of Sam starting have been quashed (right decision btw) ..... looks like he'll get his chance against Fiji

Wasn't it you starting the rumours here?

[JamesRyanOCaptain]

I would have preferred to have Baird and C Prendergast/Izzy on the bench but Farrell is sticking to what he knows. I'm not going to argue too much with him.

We're all reading out excepts from Sexto's book during the haka, right?

[propertymad]

rumours of Sam starting have been quashed (right decision btw) ..... looks like he'll get his chance against Fiji

Wasn't it you starting the rumours here?

Here yes .... but the rumour emanated from someone close to the playing group as I understand it

In hindsight it seems now like it was a mad and highly remote prospect, but I think the selection of Osborne at 15 in SA allowed people (incl. me) to place a certain level of credence in it

Anyway, he'll be making his debut over the coming weeks one way or another I'd say

[propertymad]

I would have preferred to have Baird and C Prendergast/Izzy on the bench but Farrell is sticking to what he knows. I'm not going to argue too much with him.

We're all reading out excepts from Sexto's book during the haka, right?

I'm sure some fan near the tunnel will be sure to remind Rieko not to miss his flight, if Ireland manage to win on Friday

[JamesRyanOCaptain]

I would have preferred to have Baird and C Prendergast/Izzy on the bench but Farrell is sticking to what he knows. I'm not going to argue too much with him.

We're all reading out excepts from Sexto's book during the haka, right?

I'm sure some fan near the tunnel will be sure to remind Rieko not to miss his flight, if Ireland manage to win on Friday

“sh!t Richie McCaws, you’re just all sh!t Richie McCaws, you’re all sh!t Richie McCaws…..except for Jordie!”

[sunshiner1]

by Galicia celt


Furlong goes for 60/70 mins per international so Bealham not trusted. Flogging furlong in games like Scotland doesn't help him when he started playing at a high level so young. Same old cr@p really flogging guys they get injured and no replacement. Its like sexton all over again as furlong ages

It annoys me people ragging on Bealham. He's played New Zealand a bunch of times and always done well. Furlong is a generational player who you want to use as much as possible, Bealham is a international level TH who isn't. It's like saying Chris Whitaker wasn't a good player because he wasn't George Gregan.

[artaneboy]

by Galicia celt


Furlong goes for 60/70 mins per international so Bealham not trusted. Flogging furlong in games like Scotland doesn't help him when he started playing at a high level so young. Same old cr@p really flogging guys they get injured and no replacement. Its like sexton all over again as furlong ages

It annoys me people ragging on Bealham. He's played New Zealand a bunch of times and always done well. Furlong is a generational player who you want to use as much as possible, Bealham is a international level TH who isn't. It's like saying Chris Whitaker wasn't a good player because he wasn't George Gregan.

Indeed. If memory serves me right on that NZ tour, Bealham’s introduction for Furlong actually strengthened the scrum in a couple of games. He’s not a liability.

Now, when Bealham has to be replaced, would I be as sanguine on Tom O’Toole holding it up? Possibly- not so much, but name me any international team that can go three deep with specialist players (props particularly) and be confident that they’ll all perform to the highest standard. And I’ll include SA in that


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[artaneboy]

I would have preferred to have Baird and C Prendergast/Izzy on the bench but Farrell is sticking to what he knows. I'm not going to argue too much with him.

We're all reading out excepts from Sexto's book during the haka, right?

I'm sure some fan near the tunnel will be sure to remind Rieko not to miss his flight, if Ireland manage to win on Friday

“sh!t Richie McCaws, you’re just all sh!t Richie McCaws, you’re all sh!t Richie McCaws…..except for Jordie!”

No. I really hope we just treat the little shite with the contempt he deserves and ignore him in terms of all that ‘revenge banter’. If we are to respond to his BS- it should be within the laws of the game- on the field of play. Run around him, run over him, run through him… embarrass him. But don’t be so focused on isolating him that you open yourself up to mistakes.

And, if we do win, shake the bollix’s hand at the end and say “thanks and well done… nothing more. Okay- you can smirk if you want while doing that.


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[Oldschoolsocks]

by Galicia celt


Furlong goes for 60/70 mins per international so Bealham not trusted. Flogging furlong in games like Scotland doesn't help him when he started playing at a high level so young. Same old cr@p really flogging guys they get injured and no replacement. Its like sexton all over again as furlong ages

It annoys me people ragging on Bealham. He's played New Zealand a bunch of times and always done well. Furlong is a generational player who you want to use as much as possible, Bealham is a international level TH who isn't. It's like saying Chris Whitaker wasn't a good player because he wasn't George Gregan.

hear hear !!

[Ruckedtobits]

Watched SA V NZ from September last night and it was a wake-up call that this NZ Squad can play hard, fast and tough. They lost the game to the 'new' Boks style and didn't score a try, in fact they missed a simple kick in 72nd min to possibly win the game.

Their front-five can play at real pace and with great skill. Possible a little bit naive at times and their half-backs overplay defensive possession but they are still a team who could cause us a lot of worries. Their bench can inflict real pain on us unless our pack can get on top.

We may have turned the tide in our contests against them in recent years, but the threat of a big wave still exists.

[riocard911]

Watched SA V NZ from September last night and it was a wake-up call that this NZ Squad can play hard, fast and tough. They lost the game to the 'new' Boks style and didn't score a try, in fact they missed a simple kick in 72nd min to possibly win the game.

Their front-five can play at real pace and with great skill. Possible a little bit naive at times and their half-backs overplay defensive possession but they are still a team who could cause us a lot of worries. Their bench can inflict real pain on us unless our pack can get on top.

We may have turned the tide in our contests against them in recent years, but the threat of a big wave still exists.

Yip. Thinking about their bomb squad with Tuipolotu leading the charge is giving me heart palpitations already. We'll need a big game off the bench from the Captain of Ulster.

[Flash Gordon]

by Galicia celt


Furlong goes for 60/70 mins per international so Bealham not trusted. Flogging furlong in games like Scotland doesn't help him when he started playing at a high level so young. Same old cr@p really flogging guys they get injured and no replacement. Its like sexton all over again as furlong ages

It annoys me people ragging on Bealham. He's played New Zealand a bunch of times and always done well. Furlong is a generational player who you want to use as much as possible, Bealham is a international level TH who isn't. It's like saying Chris Whitaker wasn't a good player because he wasn't George Gregan.

Bealham is a good player, no question. The worry is the bench when he's not on it. Dan Cole got milled last weekend for England and it indirectly lead to the missed drop goal. A solid last scrum and that drop goal is a gimme.

[TMC]

that's some team. not a fan of the evening kick offs but we beat them under the floodlights with schmidt....and that neat chip by Stockdale.
looking forward to it but I cannot see the bookies having anyone as favourites. other than us having crowley at 10, being a weak spot, I see this as an evens game. anyone can win.

It’s a big game for Crowley, imagine he knows it too. His club form hasn’t been stellar at all and he’s still a young enough guy. AF is being his typical loyal self and has stuck with him but don’t think there is that much clear water between himself and Frawley after South Africa. Don't see him as a weak link to be fair but as out of form with his club. It will be very interesting to see how he goes in a different team environment and if he repays his coach's faith.

Think Osbourne over Henshaw is a big enough call in the grand scheme of things, with Frawley also on the bench AF could have easily gone for RH. Two very strong teams, but think there is a bit more dynamism on their bench. Both Henderson and POM is a call grounded in loyalty to both players, the upshot is that it means there is shag all pace in our forward subs & against New Zealand you always need pace. Think this selection is a bit of misguided loyalty and assumes we’ll be defending a lead. If were chasing a score late in the game having one of Baird or Izzy to call on would have been a better option.

[Observingprop123]

that's some team. not a fan of the evening kick offs but we beat them under the floodlights with schmidt....and that neat chip by Stockdale.
looking forward to it but I cannot see the bookies having anyone as favourites. other than us having crowley at 10, being a weak spot, I see this as an evens game. anyone can win.

It’s a big game for Crowley, imagine he knows it too. His club form hasn’t been stellar at all and he’s still a young enough guy. AF is being his typical loyal self and has stuck with him but don’t think there is that much clear water between himself and Frawley after South Africa. Don't see him as a weak link to be fair but as out of form with his club. It will be very interesting to see how he goes in a different team environment and if he repays his coach's faith.

Think Osbourne over Henshaw is a big enough call in the grand scheme of things, with Frawley also on the bench AF could have easily gone for RH. Two very strong teams, but think there is a bit more dynamism on their bench. Both Henderson and POM is a call grounded in loyalty to both players, the upshot is that it means there is shag all pace in our forward subs & against New Zealand you always need pace. Think this selection is a bit of misguided loyalty and assumes we’ll be defending a lead. If were chasing a score late in the game having one of Baird or Izzy to call on would have been a better option.

Osborne is probably the best 23 in world rugby in a 5-3 split. Im not sure there is another play who's top class in every non halfback position. Maybe I'm missing someone here but not sure there is another outside back like him maybe Jordie?

I'm interested to see with the changes in laws if players like Osborne, Keenan, and the main one Steward for England are more valuable due to changes in kicking laws, my gut feeling is that being good in the air is now a much larger part of a wingers and fullbacks game.

[riocard911]

that's some team. not a fan of the evening kick offs but we beat them under the floodlights with schmidt....and that neat chip by Stockdale.
looking forward to it but I cannot see the bookies having anyone as favourites. other than us having crowley at 10, being a weak spot, I see this as an evens game. anyone can win.

It’s a big game for Crowley, imagine he knows it too. His club form hasn’t been stellar at all and he’s still a young enough guy. AF is being his typical loyal self and has stuck with him but don’t think there is that much clear water between himself and Frawley after South Africa. Don't see him as a weak link to be fair but as out of form with his club. It will be very interesting to see how he goes in a different team environment and if he repays his coach's faith.

Think Osbourne over Henshaw is a big enough call in the grand scheme of things, with Frawley also on the bench AF could have easily gone for RH. Two very strong teams, but think there is a bit more dynamism on their bench. Both Henderson and POM is a call grounded in loyalty to both players, the upshot is that it means there is shag all pace in our forward subs & against New Zealand you always need pace. Think this selection is a bit of misguided loyalty and assumes we’ll be defending a lead. If were chasing a score late in the game having one of Baird or Izzy to call on would have been a better option.

Osborne is probably the best 23 in world rugby in a 5-3 split. Im not sure there is another play who's top class in every non halfback position. Maybe I'm missing someone here but not sure there is another outside back like him maybe Jordie?

I'm interested to see with the changes in laws if players like Osborne, Keenan, and the main one Steward for England are more valuable due to changes in kicking laws, my gut feeling is that being good in the air is now a much larger part of a wingers and fullbacks game.

On the "For the Love of Rugby" podcast with Ben Youngs on Monday, Anthony Watson had nothing good to say about that particular rule change. In fact, he predicted it would cause more trouble than it's worth, by leading to more contestable box kicks and more player collisions in the air........ I fear he could be right.

[Galicia celt]

by Galicia celt


Furlong goes for 60/70 mins per international so Bealham not trusted. Flogging furlong in games like Scotland doesn't help him when he started playing at a high level so young. Same old cr@p really flogging guys they get injured and no replacement. Its like sexton all over again as furlong ages

It annoys me people ragging on Bealham. He's played New Zealand a bunch of times and always done well. Furlong is a generational player who you want to use as much as possible, Bealham is a international level TH who isn't. It's like saying Chris Whitaker wasn't a good player because he wasn't George Gregan.

My point was keeping furlong on when games are won against teams like Scotland or Wales. Furlong started young so body is probably breaking down like henshaw. Why push him when there is no need and other th props need experience? It's probably because he is on a central contract

[Galicia celt]

Jason Holland the NZ coach said Ireland don't have many superstar players on the the team lol I'm guessing he means x factor players like Dupont ? If Ireland don't who does? France and SA? Fiji ? Does he think NZ have ? Surly if NZ have more they should be expecting to win this game

[matt]

Jason Holland the NZ coach said Ireland don't have many superstar players on the the team lol I'm guessing he means x factor players like Dupont ? If Ireland don't who does? France and SA? Fiji ? Does he think NZ have ? Surly if NZ have more they should be expecting to win this game

Gibson Park is our best player and only behind DuPont, Savea and Kolbe in World Rugby. Unfortunately our second best player Dan Sheehan is injured, but Doris is up there and Keenan and Hansen before his injury both X factor players.

[JamesRyanOCaptain]

Jason Holland the NZ coach said Ireland don't have many superstar players on the the team lol I'm guessing he means x factor players like Dupont ? If Ireland don't who does? France and SA? Fiji ? Does he think NZ have ? Surly if NZ have more they should be expecting to win this game

I will not stand such slights against James Ryan.