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Re: Irish U20s 2024

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I think that means we play England and NZ plays France?
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JohnB wrote: July 9th, 2024, 8:12 pm I think that means we play England and NZ plays France?
Yep
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Its Spain ,Fiji, Italy Georgia in the play offs for relegation. Georgia will beat Spain and Italy beat Fiji.
So will be a shootout between Fiji and Spain.
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SaoPaulo41 wrote: July 9th, 2024, 8:21 pm Its Spain ,Fiji, Italy Georgia in the play offs for relegation. Georgia will beat Spain and Italy beat Fiji.
So will be a shootout between Fiji and Spain.
Spain were the promoted side from the Trophy last year. In this year's Trophy Scotland play Japan in their final pool game on Friday night, winner goes to the final and possible promotion. Japan were relegated from the Championship last year. USA are currently top of the other trophy pool after beating Uruguay, they play Kenya on Friday.
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neill_m wrote: July 9th, 2024, 8:41 pm
SaoPaulo41 wrote: July 9th, 2024, 8:21 pm Its Spain ,Fiji, Italy Georgia in the play offs for relegation. Georgia will beat Spain and Italy beat Fiji.
So will be a shootout between Fiji and Spain.
Spain were the promoted side from the Trophy last year. In this year's Trophy Scotland play Japan in their final pool game on Friday night, winner goes to the final and possible promotion. Japan were relegated from the Championship last year. USA are currently top of the other trophy pool after beating Uruguay, they play Kenya on Friday.
Yep , but it's winner of trophy who goes up and bottom placed in main tournament that goes down, i don't believe trophy winner plays bottom placed wc team.

Edit sorry I misread you, you weren't saying what I thought
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mildlyinterested wrote: July 9th, 2024, 4:02 pm
Observingprop123 wrote: July 9th, 2024, 4:00 pm
mildlyinterested wrote: July 9th, 2024, 3:47 pm

Not been finalized yet

I imagine they'll have several Leinster players added.
Not that many they can get from this u20s squad. Sparrow and Brophy?
I think Sparrow will be in the Leinster academy but not sure yet.

They've added Farthing so not sure they'll add another scrumhalf.

I expect they are targeting 19s, especially lads coming out of school, will have to wait and see.
Which u19s do you think they'll be targeting?
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Purist98 wrote: July 9th, 2024, 11:34 pm
mildlyinterested wrote: July 9th, 2024, 4:02 pm
Observingprop123 wrote: July 9th, 2024, 4:00 pm

Not that many they can get from this u20s squad. Sparrow and Brophy?
I think Sparrow will be in the Leinster academy but not sure yet.

They've added Farthing so not sure they'll add another scrumhalf.

I expect they are targeting 19s, especially lads coming out of school, will have to wait and see.
Which u19s do you think they'll be targeting?
Heard at least 1 newbridge 6th year has been contacted about a move to Connacht.. Billy Bohan, Adam Watchorn, Billy Corrigan, Mahon Ronan, Sam Wisneski a few others that id imagine they'd be interested in.
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So, all the talk in Cape Town is about the Irish doctor's veto of playing against Australia because of the safety factor due to ground conditions. Australian Coach Nathan Grey claimed that conditions were no worse than when they played, and lost, to Italy in the previous round, and certainly no worse than many games played in Ireland on a regular basis.

Whatever about Grey's claims about Irish conditions, it certainly seems extraordinary that the first of three scheduled games on the ground, was cancelled, whilst the 2nd and 3rd games proceeded, despite continual rain between the scheduled games.

Ireland face England in the DHL Stadium on Sunday at 4 pm and weather in Cape Town is forecast to still be wintry conditions. The big English pack battled against the 'Boks yesterday to claim a 17-12 win in the 86th minutes. Early reports had indicated that the game was concluded as a 12-12 draw, but the S Africans had insisted on playing the game to conclusion even though they needed a four-try victory to have any chance of progressing.

The effects of that tough extra game may impact on the English pack come Sunday but, hopefully the extra days may give Irish Captain Evan O'Connell the chance to recover to lead his troops into this encounter.

Playing the game in the Stormer's DHL Stadium may ensure a better playing surface which Ireland will certainly welcome, but a tough battle will be inevitable.
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Ruckedtobits wrote: July 10th, 2024, 9:11 am So, all the talk in Cape Town is about the Irish doctor's veto of playing against Australia because of the safety factor due to ground conditions. Australian Coach Nathan Grey claimed that conditions were no worse than when they played, and lost, to Italy in the previous round, and certainly no worse than many games played in Ireland on a regular basis.

Whatever about Grey's claims about Irish conditions, it certainly seems extraordinary that the first of three scheduled games on the ground, was cancelled, whilst the 2nd and 3rd games proceeded, despite continual rain between the scheduled games.

Ireland face England in the DHL Stadium on Sunday at 4 pm and weather in Cape Town is forecast to still be wintry conditions. The big English pack battled against the 'Boks yesterday to claim a 17-12 win in the 86th minutes. Early reports had indicated that the game was concluded as a 12-12 draw, but the S Africans had insisted on playing the game to conclusion even though they needed a four-try victory to have any chance of progressing.

The effects of that tough extra game may impact on the English pack come Sunday but, hopefully the extra days may give Irish Captain Evan O'Connell the chance to recover to lead his troops into this encounter.

Playing the game in the Stormer's DHL Stadium may ensure a better playing surface which Ireland will certainly welcome, but a tough battle will be inevitable.
3:30pm Kick Off on Sunday.
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Ruckedtobits wrote: July 9th, 2024, 4:25 pm
Dexter wrote: July 9th, 2024, 2:24 pm
SaoPaulo41 wrote: July 9th, 2024, 2:19 pm Wow very bitter here , blaming Irish docs for cancellation. Typical Aussis

https://x.com/RugbyPass/status/1810658454874530047
Jeez we've really gotten into the heads of all these SH lads.
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Ruckedtobits wrote: July 10th, 2024, 9:11 am So, all the talk in Cape Town is about the Irish doctor's veto of playing against Australia because of the safety factor due to ground conditions. Australian Coach Nathan Grey claimed that conditions were no worse than when they played, and lost, to Italy in the previous round, and certainly no worse than many games played in Ireland on a regular basis.

Whatever about Grey's claims about Irish conditions, it certainly seems extraordinary that the first of three scheduled games on the ground, was cancelled, whilst the 2nd and 3rd games proceeded, despite continual rain between the scheduled games.

Ireland face England in the DHL Stadium on Sunday at 4 pm and weather in Cape Town is forecast to still be wintry conditions. The big English pack battled against the 'Boks yesterday to claim a 17-12 win in the 86th minutes. Early reports had indicated that the game was concluded as a 12-12 draw, but the S Africans had insisted on playing the game to conclusion even though they needed a four-try victory to have any chance of progressing.

The effects of that tough extra game may impact on the English pack come Sunday but, hopefully the extra days may give Irish Captain Evan O'Connell the chance to recover to lead his troops into this encounter.

Playing the game in the Stormer's DHL Stadium may ensure a better playing surface which Ireland will certainly welcome, but a tough battle will be inevitable.
One of the games was stopped due to flooding.
They had to work on the pitch during the time the Irish game would have been played.
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Sadly Evan is to return home to further assess injury. He will be missed both on and off the pitch, never need any motivation to play the English who are already running off their mouths. Dont see how any doctor can influence the decision to cancel the game, it is made by the referees. Whinging Aussies. Pitch was an absolute mess from what was shown on TV. SA needing the win basically forced the matter and Ireland Austrailia were casualties.
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When Ireland drew 32-32 with England in a dramatic finish to their 6N encounter in March this year, the teams lined out as follows:

England v Ireland - 6 Nations March 2024

No Ireland : England
1 Usanov :::: Opuku-Fourjour
2 Sheahan ::: Oliver
3 Boyd ::::::: Sela
4 Spicer ::::: Sodeke
5 O'Connell : Kpoku
6 Hopes ::::: Carnduff
7 Ward :::::: Pollock
8 Murphy L : Michelow
9 Coffee :::: McParland
10 Murphy J : Bellamy
11 McLaughlin : Wills
12 De Klerk : Kerr
13 Gavin :::: Wagharm
14 Treacy ::: Cousins
15 O'Connor B : Bedshaw

16 Walker ::: Isaacs
17 Howard :: Kirk
18 Bell ::::::: Halliwell
19 Corrigan : Carr
20 Edogbu :: James
21 Brophy ::: Douglas
22 Naughton : Makepiece-Cubbitt
23 Colbert :: Spenser

How they will line up on Sunday remains to be seen but Ireland will certainly be without Ulster forward Hopes, Leinster front-row Usanov, both of whom missed selection due to injury, and Captain, Evan O'Connell, injured in the game against Georgia. We will however benefit from the return of talisman No 8 Gleeson.

The English team who faced S Africa in their final Pool game last Tuesday in Cape Town showed a number of alterations from their 6N Squad against Ireland in March and also changes from their earlier Pool games, so it's very difficult to judge who they will field. However, it's likely that their starting XV will be fairly similar on Sunday next to that which they fielded against South Africa last Tuesday, unless they have injuries. In total that could mean that they have up to ten changes from the 23 (Players in bold) who faced Ireland in March in the Six Nations game.

The most significant changes since their 6N campaign has been the alterations at half back and in the backline players. They certainly have pace on the wings and both Wills and Bracken have scored hat-tricks in this Tournament. However, neither Allan nor Coen at half-back have been dominant players and centres Kerr and Wagham appear to be selected for their defence.

England Squad v S Africa - 9th July Cape Town

1. Opuku-Fourjour
2. Wright
3. Sela
4. Bailey
5. Kpoku
6. Carnduff
7. Pollock
8. Michelow
9. Allan
10.Coen
11. Wills
12. Kerr
13. Wagharn
14. Bracken
15. Bedshaw

16. Isaacs
17. Fasogbou
18. Halliwell
19. Sodeke
20. James
21. Friday
22. Hall
23. Jones

The Irish selection remains to be seen, given that they have rotated so significantly throughout this Competition. Evan O'Connell will be missed, there is no doubt. However, another inspired performance from Brian Gleeson, accompanied by McKillup, Liam Murphy & Spicer may be enough to give the better Irish backs sufficient ball to win this game
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The Irish team I'd like to see play England on Sunday closely resembles the team that played them in the 6 Nations fixtures. There of our pack are not available, Usanov, O'Connell & Hopes but I'd like to see them replaced by Sparrow (as THP & Boyd as LHP), McKillup & Gleeson (with Luke Murphy on flank).

I'm happy enough with De Klerk and Gavin in the centre, with Berman on the bench and a back three of O'Connor, McLaughlin and Colbert or Moloney.

It seems to me that as in March, this game will be determined by what happens up front and I believe this Irish pack can secure sufficient ball to give Murphy the opportunity to use the skills of Gavin, De Klerk & Moloney to score the necessary tries.

Let's hope so.
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Ireland U20s Men’s (v England):

15. Ben O’Connor (UCC RFC/Munster)
14. Finn Treacy (Galwegians RFC/Connacht)
13. Wilhelm de Klerk (UCD RFC/Leinster)
12. Hugh Gavin (Galwegians RFC/Connacht)
11. Hugo McLaughlin (Lansdowne FC/Leinster)
10. Jack Murphy (Clontarf FC/Leinster)
9. Oliver Coffey (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster)

1. Ben Howard (Terenure College RFC/Leinster)
2. Danny Sheahan (Cork Constitution FC/Munster)
3. Jacob Boyd (Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
4. Alan Spicer (UCD RFC/Leinster)
5. James McKillop (Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
6. Sean Edogbo (UCC RFC/Munster)
7. Bryn Ward (Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
8. Brian Gleeson (Garryowen FC/Munster)(captain)

Replacements:

16. Stephen Smyth (Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
17. Emmet Calvey (Shannon RFC/Munster)
18. Patreece Bell (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
19. Billy Corrigan (Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
20. Luke Murphy (Shannon RFC/Munster)
21. Tadhg Brophy (Naas RFC/Leinster)
22. Sean Naughton (Galway Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
23. Sam Berman (Terenure College RFC/Leinster)
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No Moloney or Sparrow. injured related?
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ENGLISH TEAM TO PLAY IRELAND

15. Ioan Jones
14. Ben Redshaw
13. Ben Waghorn
12. Sean Kerr
11. Alex Wills
10. Ben Coen
9. Ollie Allan
1. Asher Opoku-Fordjour
2. Craig Wright
3. Afolabi Fasogbon
4. Joe Bailey
5. Junior Kpoku
6. Finn Carnduff (c)
7. Henry Pollock
8. Nathan Michelow

Replacements
16. James Isaacs
17. Cameron Miell
18. James Halliwell
19. Olamide Sodeke
20. Kane James
21. Lucas Friday
22. Josh Bellamy
23. Toby Cousins
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When did Howard get the call up to the squad? Was he injured previously?
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mildlyinterested wrote: July 12th, 2024, 3:37 pm No Moloney or Sparrow. injured related?
Just not selected
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ljsulster wrote: July 12th, 2024, 3:43 pm
mildlyinterested wrote: July 12th, 2024, 3:37 pm No Moloney or Sparrow. injured related?
Just not selected
who?

moloney was injured for previous game.
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