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Flash Gordon wrote: April 17th, 2023, 10:31 am This clearly a top appointment and Leo is doing what he has consistently done, surrounded himself with top coaches and knowledge. He knows that he will be measured on results and the collective delivers stronger than the individual.

Hope this one works out, the one concern I'd have is culture. Bok culture is win at all costs, how you do it doesn't seem to matter. Whereas there is a Leinster way in terms of how we compete and play - the style of rugby we play and the values that underpin that.
Not too worried about it signalling a change in our culture. The 'Leinster way' is as much Leo's legacy as it is anyones bar maybe Mick Dawson. I just can't imagine him doing anything to jeopardise that so if he feels JN can come in and work within that framework (and enhance it) then he has earned our full support on that.

As you say, Leo has brought in someone who'l add knowledge and experience to our coaching group. JN will also come in to a much different coaching ticket to the one Stu first joined. The current coaching team is far more self-assured then it was in 2016. Leo is far further along his coaching journey, Robin McBryde is both well embedded in the Leinster system and has a wealth of international coaching experience in his own right, and Andrew Goodman has come in from the Crusaders and taken ownership of a lot of our attacking play and, by all accounts, has been very impressive.

As a result, I think we're far less in need of a jack-of-all trades HC/Senior Coach such as Stu (not to say that he won't be missed) and from a training field coaching perspective we can allow JN to focus solely on defence. Something he is world-class in and an area that massively important in its own right. Just look at the impact defensive specialists such as Farrell, Edwards, and JN himself have had on developing squads that can compete at the very highest level in the sport.
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BlockB wrote: April 17th, 2023, 12:08 pm
Flash Gordon wrote: April 17th, 2023, 10:31 am This clearly a top appointment and Leo is doing what he has consistently done, surrounded himself with top coaches and knowledge. He knows that he will be measured on results and the collective delivers stronger than the individual.

Hope this one works out, the one concern I'd have is culture. Bok culture is win at all costs, how you do it doesn't seem to matter. Whereas there is a Leinster way in terms of how we compete and play - the style of rugby we play and the values that underpin that.
Not too worried about it signalling a change in our culture. The 'Leinster way' is as much Leo's legacy as it is anyones bar maybe Mick Dawson. I just can't imagine him doing anything to jeopardise that so if he feels JN can come in and work within that framework (and enhance it) then he has earned our full support on that.

As you say, Leo has brought in someone who'l add knowledge and experience to our coaching group. JN will also come in to a much different coaching ticket to the one Stu first joined. The current coaching team is far more self-assured then it was in 2016. Leo is far further along his coaching journey, Robin McBryde is both well embedded in the Leinster system and has a wealth of international coaching experience in his own right, and Andrew Goodman has come in from the Crusaders and taken ownership of a lot of our attacking play and, by all accounts, has been very impressive.

As a result, I think we're far less in need of a jack-of-all trades HC/Senior Coach such as Stu (not to say that he won't be missed) and from a training field coaching perspective we can allow JN to focus solely on defence. Something he is world-class in and an area that massively important in its own right. Just look at the impact defensive specialists such as Farrell, Edwards, and JN himself have had on developing squads that can compete at the very highest level in the sport.
Hope you're right! Defensively we are pretty solid already what we might lack a bit of is winning the ball back at the breakdown. Against La Rochelle last year we defended for 10 minutes without ever really looking like we were going to get the ball back (maybe a possible penalty at one point) but we didn't ask a lot of questions of their ability to retain the ball at ruck time in those key minutes.
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If only Leavy...
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Flash Gordon wrote: April 17th, 2023, 12:37 pm
BlockB wrote: April 17th, 2023, 12:08 pm
Flash Gordon wrote: April 17th, 2023, 10:31 am This clearly a top appointment and Leo is doing what he has consistently done, surrounded himself with top coaches and knowledge. He knows that he will be measured on results and the collective delivers stronger than the individual.

Hope this one works out, the one concern I'd have is culture. Bok culture is win at all costs, how you do it doesn't seem to matter. Whereas there is a Leinster way in terms of how we compete and play - the style of rugby we play and the values that underpin that.
Not too worried about it signalling a change in our culture. The 'Leinster way' is as much Leo's legacy as it is anyones bar maybe Mick Dawson. I just can't imagine him doing anything to jeopardise that so if he feels JN can come in and work within that framework (and enhance it) then he has earned our full support on that.

As you say, Leo has brought in someone who'l add knowledge and experience to our coaching group. JN will also come in to a much different coaching ticket to the one Stu first joined. The current coaching team is far more self-assured then it was in 2016. Leo is far further along his coaching journey, Robin McBryde is both well embedded in the Leinster system and has a wealth of international coaching experience in his own right, and Andrew Goodman has come in from the Crusaders and taken ownership of a lot of our attacking play and, by all accounts, has been very impressive.

As a result, I think we're far less in need of a jack-of-all trades HC/Senior Coach such as Stu (not to say that he won't be missed) and from a training field coaching perspective we can allow JN to focus solely on defence. Something he is world-class in and an area that massively important in its own right. Just look at the impact defensive specialists such as Farrell, Edwards, and JN himself have had on developing squads that can compete at the very highest level in the sport.
Hope you're right! Defensively we are pretty solid already what we might lack a bit of is winning the ball back at the breakdown. Against La Rochelle last year we defended for 10 minutes without ever really looking like we were going to get the ball back (maybe a possible penalty at one point) but we didn't ask a lot of questions of their ability to retain the ball at ruck time in those key minutes.
Think that's an area the Boks are great at - winning possession back. You're right in saying we already have a good defence but that's Stu's remit so obviously the area we most needed cover in. As you alluded to, our current system works on a kind of 'bend, don't break' idea where we aren't generally over aggressive in our defending and tend not to challenge many rucks. It works great 95% of the time but, as we all know, when we come up against big, physical teams who can retain possession and dominate the ruck area the system can be vulnerable when put under sustained pressure as was the case in the last 10 against LaR in the Marseille. I'd say that's absolutely somewhere we're looking to improve.

Also interesting to see GT say in his article today that it looks like SOB will take on more defensive duties next season in which case working under JN could be great for his development as a coach. Especially given someone with Nienaber's CV will be in high demand, especially if he's successful with us, and is likely to move on to another role in 2-3 years by which time you'd hope that guys like Goodman and SOB will have enough experience to take the reigns.
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He's a very data driven guy, which can be good or not so much, depending on how it's used. Certainly for defence, it's got to be very important to have tools to help adapt and evolve the systems.
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mildlyinterested wrote: April 17th, 2023, 12:45 pm If only Leavy...
Was thinking exactly that thought.....what might have been.
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ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
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mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
Hopefully that's just ROG acting the b*llox. Although the link makes sense unfortunately given his Crusaders link and the fact that Razor is the new ABs coach (and you'd imagine ROG has good sources there. Would be a massive blow to lose him so early in his tenure here. Even more so given Stu's already leaving and our new coaching ticket has seemingly structured around Goodman playing a central role.
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mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
If that occurs, fair dos to Goodman. Watching Super Rugby over the past 2/3 months, there are a lot of Coaches (Chiefs, Blues, Crusaders, Fiji Drua erc) who are playing high quality fast moving Rugby but with little emphasis on scrums, mauls & breakdowns. That will be the real test for the ABs in the World Cup.

RO'G is usually well connected to NZ rugby so I'd consider that his comments in this regard are credible.
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mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
I hope this isn't true and if it is, that Leo gets in someone decent to replace him as attack coach.
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riocard911 wrote: April 21st, 2023, 10:33 am
mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
I hope this isn't true and if it is, that Leo gets in someone decent to replace him as attack coach.
What's Isa up to these days? Is he still coaching?
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ROG has form. He might be right but I'm going to ignore him anyway as I know he would cause mischief.

Is he still banned? I can't keep up.
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ronk wrote: April 21st, 2023, 11:14 am ROG has form. He might be right but I'm going to ignore him anyway as I know he would cause mischief.

Is he still banned? I can't keep up.
Definitely don’t believe him if he says Big Willie Skelington is out for the rest if the season
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Oldschoolsocks wrote: April 21st, 2023, 11:19 am
ronk wrote: April 21st, 2023, 11:14 am ROG has form. He might be right but I'm going to ignore him anyway as I know he would cause mischief.

Is he still banned? I can't keep up.
Definitely don’t believe him if he says Big Willie Skelington is out for the rest if the season
Me either. Whether it's true or not RO'G always has an agenda i. e. the promotion of his own brand.
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Including last season ROG has publicly interfered by leaking with the coaching setups of La Rochelle, Munster (twice), Leinster, Racing, England, New Zealand and possibly others.

Talking to him privately about a coaching role would be like asking Isabel Oakeshott to be your ghost writer.
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ronk wrote: April 21st, 2023, 1:45 pm Including last season ROG has publicly interfered by leaking with the coaching setups of La Rochelle, Munster (twice), Leinster, Racing, England, New Zealand and possibly others.

Talking to him privately about a coaching role would be like asking Isabel Oakeshott to be your ghost writer.
Excellent analogy.
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Ruckedtobits wrote: April 21st, 2023, 2:04 pm
ronk wrote: April 21st, 2023, 1:45 pm Including last season ROG has publicly interfered by leaking with the coaching setups of La Rochelle, Munster (twice), Leinster, Racing, England, New Zealand and possibly others.

Talking to him privately about a coaching role would be like asking Isabel Oakeshott to be your ghost writer.
Excellent analogy.
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mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
The more I think about it, the more I'm. inclined to suspect, that that scéal is RO'G trying to get cause disruption and get into people's heads in the Leinster camp a few weeks out from a potential meeting with his team in the Heino final.
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RoboProp wrote: April 21st, 2023, 10:38 am
riocard911 wrote: April 21st, 2023, 10:33 am
mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
I hope this isn't true and if it is, that Leo gets in someone decent to replace him as attack coach.
What's Isa up to these days? Is he still coaching?
He announced on LinkedIn during the week that was starting a new position as Performance Team Leader with High Performance Sport New Zealand

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riocard911 wrote: April 21st, 2023, 6:09 pm
mildlyinterested wrote: April 21st, 2023, 9:47 am ROG putting out there on OTB that maybe Goodman might be headed back to NZ to coach all blacks?
The more I think about it, the more I'm. inclined to suspect, that that scéal is RO'G trying to get cause disruption and get into people's heads in the Leinster camp a few weeks out from a potential meeting with his team in the Heino final.
Yeah he's an awful b*%&!x and best ignored, whether it's true or not.
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