Leinster Academy 22-23

[mildlyinterested]

Good to see James Doyle training with seniors today.

[backrower8]

What is his position and back story?

[IanD]

Good to see James Doyle training with seniors today.

Sorry but I just see a 'Spot the Lifter' competition.

[mildlyinterested]

[mildlyinterested]

What is his position and back story?

u20 lock-backrow from enniscorthy rfc now with lansdowne.

[mildlyinterested]

so after two under-20 games, who looks likely to join the academy next season?

Likely
Paddy McCarthy(Prop/Blackrock)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker/Blackrock)
Conor O'Tighearnaigh(Lock/St. Michaels)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf/St. Michaels)
Hugh Cooney(Centre-Wing/Blackrock)
Henry McErlean(Back Three/St. Michaels)

Unlikely
George Morris(Prop/Gonzaga)
Oscar Cawley(Scrumhalf/Naas RFC)
James Nicholson(Wing/St. Michaels)

To be determined
George Hadden(Prop/Gorey RFC)
Liam Molony(Openside/Blackrock)
Andrew Osborne(Wing/Naas RFC)

[backrower8]

What is his position and back story?

u20 lock-backrow from enniscorthy rfc now with lansdowne.

Thank you

[backrower8]

Quite the transformation on Boyle!

[backrower8]

so after two under-20 games, who looks likely to join the academy next season?

Likely
Paddy McCarthy(Prop/Blackrock)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker/Blackrock)
Conor O'Tighearnaigh(Lock/St. Michaels)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf/St. Michaels)
Hugh Cooney(Centre-Wing/Blackrock)
Henry McErlean(Back Three/St. Michaels)

Unlikely
George Morris(Prop/Gonzaga)
Oscar Cawley(Scrumhalf/Naas RFC)
James Nicholson(Wing/St. Michaels)

To be determined
George Hadden(Prop/Gorey RFC)
Liam Molony(Openside/Blackrock)
Andrew Osborne(Wing/Naas RFC)

I don't think Gus McCarthy (a real competitor but not the explosive athlete we are used to) is going to add much to the excellent roster of 5 Hookers that we have, but maybe it is prudent to have 6 on the go.

George Hadden looks to be serious business based on the first two scrum performances by the U20s and he would be #6 Lose head on the roster if Cian retires post RWC...or moves to TH for the next 5 years!

I wouldn't rule out James 2-try Nicholson too quickly. He was been picked ahead of McErlean in Wales and the ball didn't run his way vs France. Jackman spoke with conviction on his talents. The lad needs to be put on the Jack Boyle diet - which he can share with Sam Prendergast, so they don't get too large.

[elephantman]

Fintan Gunne has to be a nailed on addition surely..

[Fifteen]

Fintan Gunne has to be a nailed on addition surely..

The Gunne/Cawley duo is interesting. As an NTS player, you have to think Gunne is on top and being given all the opportunities and hype so far but imho, I've yet to see him have a "great" game since leaving school. He was poor enough when he played for the Leinster A v AIL 15 last year (in which Cawley looked like the better 9). He was decent (but just that) in the U20s warm-up game while Cawley to be fair had a really good game for the Leinster side. In the 6 Nations so far, the sense I get seems to be that Gunne has been ok, rather than setting the place on fire.

It seems a pity that Richie Murphy doesn't appear to be giving his bench, especially backs, much of a run out as it would be interesting to see how Cawley goes if he got a proper look-in off the bench. He left 4 on the bench against France - would he not show some faith in them - after all, he did select them?

On Morris and Nicholson - perhaps Mildly's right as they're non NTS. Though it seems to me to be inconsistent the way some players are championed (by the powers that be) through the NTS when comparing ongoing form? Perhaps I'm being naive...

[m0nks]

Early days in the u20 6N, but agree on Gunne, he hasn't set the world a light. He's been fine. He hasn't lived up to the hype. But he's young and just back from injury so let's see how he goes in the next match.

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[Fifteen]

Absolutely, don't get me wrong, this is an experience and development opportunity. Would just like to see that latitude afforded to, at least, the match day 23 in a meaningful way.

[mildlyinterested]

LH Prop
Marcus Hanan (22/Clane RFC/Terenure)
Jack Boyle (20/St. Michaels/UCD) - bench for Leinster.
--
George Hadden(U20/Gorey/Clontarf) - Irish 20s camp.
George Morris(U20/Gonzaga/Lansdowne) - Irish 20s camp.

TH Prop
Temi Lasisi (21/Enniscorthy RFC/Lansdowne) - started at 3 for Lansdowne.
Rory McGuire (20/Blackrock College/UCD) - injured.
--
Paddy McCarthy(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.
Ronan Foxe(U20/Tullamore RFC/Old Belvedere) - .
Adam Daey(U19/Tullow RFC/Lansdowne) - injured.

Hooker
John McKee (22/Campbell/Terenure) - started at 2 for Leinster.
Lee Barron (21/St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for Leinster
--
Gus McCarthy(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Matt Victory(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured.

Lock-Blindside
Alex Soroka (21/Belvedere/Clontarf) - started at 6 for Clontarf.
Diarmuid Mangan (U20/Newbridge/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
--
Conor O'Tighnernaigh(U20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Max Dunne(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured
James Doyle(U20/Enniscorthy RFC/Lansdowne) - bench for Lansdowne.
Luke O'Connor(U19/Wexford RFC/Lansdowne)

Backrow
Sean O'Brien (22/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 8 for UCD, 2 tries.
James Culhane (20/Blackrock/UCD) - injured?
--
Liam Molony(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - bench for Trinity.
Josh O'Hare(U20/Dundalk RFC/Old Wesley) - bench for Old Wesley.

Scrumhalf
Ben Murphy (21/Pres Bray/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf.
--
Fintan Gunne(U20/St. Michaels/Terenure) - Irish 20s camp.
Oscar Cawley(U20/Naas RFC/Naas) - Irish 20s camp.

Outhalf
Charlie Tector (20/Kilkenny/Lansdowne) - bench for Leinster.
Sam Prendergast(U20/Newbridge/Lansdowne) - Irish 20s camp.
--
Matthew Lynch(U20/Terenure/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.

Centre
Ben Brownlee (20/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 12 for UCD, 1 try.
--
Hugh Cooney(U20/Blackrock/Clontarf) - Irish 20s camp.
Sam Berman(U19/St. Michaels/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.
Charlie Sheridan(U19/Naas RFC/Naas) - started at 13 for Naas.

Back Three
Rob Russell (23/St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for Leinster, 1 try.
Andrew Smith (22/St. Michaels/Clontarf) - irish 7's
Max O'Reilly (22/St. Gerards/DUFC)
Chris Cosgrave (21/St. Michaels/UCD) - started at 15 for UCD.
Aitzol King (20/Balbriggan RFC-CUS/Clontarf) - injured?
--
Andrew Osborne(U20/Naas/Naas) - injured
Henry McErlean(U20/St. Michaels/Terenure) - Irish 20s camp.
James Nicholson(U20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Noah Sheridan(U20/Wicklow RFC/Clontarf) - started at 14 for Clontarf, 1 try.
Reuben Moloney(U19/Blackrock/UCD) - injured
Davy Colbert(U19/Gonzaga/DUFC)

[Oldschool]

LH Prop
Marcus Hanan (22/Clane RFC/Terenure)
Jack Boyle (20/St. Michaels/UCD) - bench for Leinster.
--
George Hadden(U20/Gorey/Clontarf) - Irish 20s camp.
George Morris(U20/Gonzaga/Lansdowne) - Irish 20s camp.

TH Prop
Temi Lasisi (21/Enniscorthy RFC/Lansdowne) - started at 3 for Lansdowne.
Rory McGuire (20/Blackrock College/UCD) - injured.
--
Paddy McCarthy(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.
Ronan Foxe(U20/Tullamore RFC/Old Belvedere) - .
Adam Daey(U19/Tullow RFC/Lansdowne) - injured.

Hooker
John McKee (22/Campbell/Terenure) - started at 2 for Leinster.
Lee Barron (21/St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for Leinster
--
Gus McCarthy(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Matt Victory(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured.

Lock-Blindside
Alex Soroka (21/Belvedere/Clontarf) - started at 6 for Clontarf.
Diarmuid Mangan (U20/Newbridge/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
--
Conor O'Tighnernaigh(U20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Max Dunne(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured
James Doyle(U20/Enniscorthy RFC/Lansdowne) - bench for Lansdowne.
Luke O'Connor(U19/Wexford RFC/Lansdowne)

Backrow
Sean O'Brien (22/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 8 for UCD, 2 tries.
James Culhane (20/Blackrock/UCD) - injured?
--
Liam Molony(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - bench for Trinity.
Josh O'Hare(U20/Dundalk RFC/Old Wesley) - bench for Old Wesley.

Scrumhalf
Ben Murphy (21/Pres Bray/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf.
--
Fintan Gunne(U20/St. Michaels/Terenure) - Irish 20s camp.
Oscar Cawley(U20/Naas RFC/Naas) - Irish 20s camp.

Outhalf
Charlie Tector (20/Kilkenny/Lansdowne) - bench for Leinster.
Sam Prendergast(U20/Newbridge/Lansdowne) - Irish 20s camp.
--
Matthew Lynch(U20/Terenure/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.

Centre
Ben Brownlee (20/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 12 for UCD, 1 try.
--
Hugh Cooney(U20/Blackrock/Clontarf) - Irish 20s camp.
Sam Berman(U19/St. Michaels/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.
Charlie Sheridan(U19/Naas RFC/Naas) - started at 13 for Naas.

Back Three
Rob Russell (23/St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for Leinster, 1 try.
Andrew Smith (22/St. Michaels/Clontarf) - irish 7's
Max O'Reilly (22/St. Gerards/DUFC)
Chris Cosgrave (21/St. Michaels/UCD) - started at 15 for UCD.
Aitzol King (20/Balbriggan RFC-CUS/Clontarf) - injured?
--
Andrew Osborne(U20/Naas/Naas) - injured
Henry McErlean(U20/St. Michaels/Terenure) - Irish 20s camp.
James Nicholson(U20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Noah Sheridan(U20/Wicklow RFC/Clontarf) - started at 14 for Clontarf, 1 try.
Reuben Moloney(U19/Blackrock/UCD) - injured
Davy Colbert(U19/Gonzaga/DUFC)

If you were selecting a 23 from the above who would select.

[Ruckedtobits]

LH Prop
Marcus Hanan (22/Clane RFC/Terenure)
Jack Boyle (20/St. Michaels/UCD) - bench for Leinster.
--
George Hadden(U20/Gorey/Clontarf) - Irish 20s camp.
George Morris(U20/Gonzaga/Lansdowne) - Irish 20s camp.

TH Prop
Temi Lasisi (21/Enniscorthy RFC/Lansdowne) - started at 3 for Lansdowne.
Rory McGuire (20/Blackrock College/UCD) - injured.
--
Paddy McCarthy(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.
Ronan Foxe(U20/Tullamore RFC/Old Belvedere) - .
Adam Daey(U19/Tullow RFC/Lansdowne) - injured.

Hooker
John McKee (22/Campbell/Terenure) - started at 2 for Leinster.
Lee Barron (21/St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for Leinster
--
Gus McCarthy(U20/Blackrock/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Matt Victory(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured.

Lock-Blindside
Alex Soroka (21/Belvedere/Clontarf) - started at 6 for Clontarf.
Diarmuid Mangan (U20/Newbridge/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
--
Conor O'Tighnernaigh(U20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Max Dunne(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC) - injured
James Doyle(U20/Enniscorthy RFC/Lansdowne) - bench for Lansdowne.
Luke O'Connor(U19/Wexford RFC/Lansdowne)

Backrow
Sean O'Brien (22/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 8 for UCD, 2 tries.
James Culhane (20/Blackrock/UCD) - injured?
--
Liam Molony(U20/Blackrock/DUFC) - bench for Trinity.
Josh O'Hare(U20/Dundalk RFC/Old Wesley) - bench for Old Wesley.

Scrumhalf
Ben Murphy (21/Pres Bray/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf.
--
Fintan Gunne(U20/St. Michaels/Terenure) - Irish 20s camp.
Oscar Cawley(U20/Naas RFC/Naas) - Irish 20s camp.

Outhalf
Charlie Tector (20/Kilkenny/Lansdowne) - bench for Leinster.
Sam Prendergast(U20/Newbridge/Lansdowne) - Irish 20s camp.
--
Matthew Lynch(U20/Terenure/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.

Centre
Ben Brownlee (20/Blackrock/UCD) - started at 12 for UCD, 1 try.
--
Hugh Cooney(U20/Blackrock/Clontarf) - Irish 20s camp.
Sam Berman(U19/St. Michaels/DUFC) - Irish 20s camp.
Charlie Sheridan(U19/Naas RFC/Naas) - started at 13 for Naas.

Back Three
Rob Russell (23/St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for Leinster, 1 try.
Andrew Smith (22/St. Michaels/Clontarf) - irish 7's
Max O'Reilly (22/St. Gerards/DUFC)
Chris Cosgrave (21/St. Michaels/UCD) - started at 15 for UCD.
Aitzol King (20/Balbriggan RFC-CUS/Clontarf) - injured?
--
Andrew Osborne(U20/Naas/Naas) - injured
Henry McErlean(U20/St. Michaels/Terenure) - Irish 20s camp.
James Nicholson(U20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Irish 20s camp.
Noah Sheridan(U20/Wicklow RFC/Clontarf) - started at 14 for Clontarf, 1 try.
Reuben Moloney(U19/Blackrock/UCD) - injured
Davy Colbert(U19/Gonzaga/DUFC)

If you were selecting a 23 from the above who would select.

Who are we playing?

[hugonaut]

If you were selecting a 23 from the above who would select.

Forwards [1-8]: Boyle, McKee, McGuire/McCarthy, O'Tighearnaigh, Mangan, Soroka, O'Brien, Culhane
Backs [9-15]: B. Murphy/Gunne, Prendergast, Russell, Brownlee, Cooney, King, Cosgrave.

Difficult calls at No3 and No9, otherwise I think it is straightforward. Both Mangan and Soroka are No6s at senior level in my eyes though.

[mildlyinterested]

If you were selecting a 23 from the above who would select.

Forwards [1-8]: Boyle, McKee, McGuire/McCarthy, O'Tighearnaigh, Mangan, Soroka, O'Brien, Culhane
Backs [9-15]: B. Murphy/Gunne, Prendergast, Russell, Brownlee, Cooney, King, Cosgrave.

Difficult calls at No3 and No9, otherwise I think it is straightforward. Both Mangan and Soroka are No6s at senior level in my eyes though.

Yeah I agree with all of that.. interested to see some more of Barron at 2 though.

[Topdawg]

If you were selecting a 23 from the above who would select.

Forwards [1-8]: Boyle, McKee, McGuire/McCarthy, O'Tighearnaigh, Mangan, Soroka, O'Brien, Culhane
Backs [9-15]: B. Murphy/Gunne, Prendergast, Russell, Brownlee, Cooney, King, Cosgrave.

Difficult calls at No3 and No9, otherwise I think it is straightforward. Both Mangan and Soroka are No6s at senior level in my eyes though.

Alex Soroka is the type of player that will move to Munster, get an injury free run and a lot of game time and fulfill his potential

[CiaranIrl]

If you were selecting a 23 from the above who would select.

Forwards [1-8]: Boyle, McKee, McGuire/McCarthy, O'Tighearnaigh, Mangan, Soroka, O'Brien, Culhane
Backs [9-15]: B. Murphy/Gunne, Prendergast, Russell, Brownlee, Cooney, King, Cosgrave.

Difficult calls at No3 and No9, otherwise I think it is straightforward. Both Mangan and Soroka are No6s at senior level in my eyes though.

Alex Soroka is the type of player that will move to Munster, get an injury free run and a lot of game time and fulfill his potential

Nah, he's the type of player that has ambition, so that won't happen.