Leinster Academy 22-23

mildlyinterested · Post by **mildlyinterested** » March 9th, 2023, 10:54 am

Probable incoming leinster academy class:

Paddy McCarthy(Prop)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker)
Conor O’Tighearnaigh(Lock)
Liam Molony(Openside)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf)
Hugh Cooney(Centre-Wing)
Andrew Osborne(Back Three)
Henry McErlean(Back Three)

ronk · Post by **ronk** » March 9th, 2023, 1:22 pm

Gone are the days when half the academy was blindside and outside centres.

scentofgunpowder · Post by **scentofgunpowder** » March 9th, 2023, 1:30 pm

mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 9th, 2023, 10:54 am Probable incoming leinster academy class:

Paddy McCarthy(Prop)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker)
Conor O’Tighearnaigh(Lock)
Liam Molony(Openside)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf)
Hugh Cooney(Centre-Wing)
Andrew Osborne(Back Three)
Henry McErlean(Back Three)

Hopefully Hadden picks up a contract somewhere.

mildlyinterested · Post by **mildlyinterested** » March 9th, 2023, 1:38 pm

scentofgunpowder wrote: ↑March 9th, 2023, 1:30 pm
mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 9th, 2023, 10:54 am Probable incoming leinster academy class:

Paddy McCarthy(Prop)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker)
Conor O’Tighearnaigh(Lock)
Liam Molony(Openside)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf)
Hugh Cooney(Centre-Wing)
Andrew Osborne(Back Three)
Henry McErlean(Back Three)
Hopefully Hadden picks up a contract somewhere.

If he doesnt with leinster, he almost certainly will with another province. Still hoping leinster will.

backrower8 · Post by **backrower8** » March 9th, 2023, 1:54 pm

mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 9th, 2023, 10:54 am Probable incoming leinster academy class:

Paddy McCarthy(Prop)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker)
Conor O’Tighearnaigh(Lock)
Liam Molony(Openside)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf)
Hugh Cooney(Centre-Wing)
Andrew Osborne(Back Three)
Henry McErlean(Back Three)

7 of the 8 come from the usual two schools. A gift and a potential problem.

mildlyinterested · Post by **mildlyinterested** » March 15th, 2023, 10:50 am

Irish 20s, profiles online, no height/weight yet: https://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/under20/profiles/

Matthew Lynch: 23/01/2003
Sam Prendergast: 12/02/2003
Ronan Foxe: 13/02/2003
George Hadden: 20/02/2003
Diarmuid Mangan: 06/03/2003
Conor O’Tighearnaigh: 02/04/2003
Oscar Cawley: 01/05/2003
James Nicholson: 09/06/2003
Hugh Cooney: 26/06/2003
Gus McCarthy: 23/07/2003
Fintan Gunne: 28/07/2003
Noah Sheridan: 18/10/2003

Henry McErlean: ?
Paddy McCarthy: ?
Liam Molony: ?
George Morris: ?
Andrew Osborne: ?
Sam Berman: ?

the spoofer · Post by **the spoofer** » March 15th, 2023, 11:43 am

mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:50 am Irish 20s, profiles online, no height/weight yet: https://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/under20/profiles/

Matthew Lynch: 23/01/2003
Sam Prendergast: 12/02/2003
Ronan Foxe: 13/02/2003
George Hadden: 20/02/2003
Diarmuid Mangan: 06/03/2003
Conor O’Tighearnaigh: 02/04/2003
Oscar Cawley: 01/05/2003
James Nicholson: 09/06/2003
Hugh Cooney: 26/06/2003
Gus McCarthy: 23/07/2003
Fintan Gunne: 28/07/2003
Noah Sheridan: 18/10/2003

Henry McErlean: ?
Paddy McCarthy: ?
Liam Molony: ?
George Morris: ?
Andrew Osborne: ?
Sam Berman: ?

Interesting that only 1 is born in last 3 months of the year. There is definitely strong evidence that kids born in the first 3 months of the year enjoy an advantage in terms of making development teams.

mildlyinterested · Post by **mildlyinterested** » March 15th, 2023, 11:46 am

the spoofer wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:43 am
mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:50 am Irish 20s, profiles online, no height/weight yet: https://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/under20/profiles/

Matthew Lynch: 23/01/2003
Sam Prendergast: 12/02/2003
Ronan Foxe: 13/02/2003
George Hadden: 20/02/2003
Diarmuid Mangan: 06/03/2003
Conor O’Tighearnaigh: 02/04/2003
Oscar Cawley: 01/05/2003
James Nicholson: 09/06/2003
Hugh Cooney: 26/06/2003
Gus McCarthy: 23/07/2003
Fintan Gunne: 28/07/2003
Noah Sheridan: 18/10/2003

Henry McErlean: ?
Paddy McCarthy: ?
Liam Molony: ?
George Morris: ?
Andrew Osborne: ?
Sam Berman: ?
Interesting that only 1 is born in last 3 months of the year. There is definitely strong evidence that kids born in the first 3 months of the year enjoy an advantage in terms of making development teams.

Yeah maybe the lads with no DOB will be later in the year but its certainly weighted one way.

joooooe · Post by **joooooe** » March 15th, 2023, 3:59 pm

the spoofer wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:43 am
mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:50 am Irish 20s, profiles online, no height/weight yet: https://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/under20/profiles/

Matthew Lynch: 23/01/2003
Sam Prendergast: 12/02/2003
Ronan Foxe: 13/02/2003
George Hadden: 20/02/2003
Diarmuid Mangan: 06/03/2003
Conor O’Tighearnaigh: 02/04/2003
Oscar Cawley: 01/05/2003
James Nicholson: 09/06/2003
Hugh Cooney: 26/06/2003
Gus McCarthy: 23/07/2003
Fintan Gunne: 28/07/2003
Noah Sheridan: 18/10/2003

Henry McErlean: ?
Paddy McCarthy: ?
Liam Molony: ?
George Morris: ?
Andrew Osborne: ?
Sam Berman: ?
Interesting that only 1 is born in last 3 months of the year. There is definitely strong evidence that kids born in the first 3 months of the year enjoy an advantage in terms of making development teams.

Malcolm Gladwell addressed this in Outliers in relation to Canadian ice hockey. Player born in the first half of the year were over-represented in professional setups. This derived from older, bigger, stronger players getting into special camps, etc at age grade levels. The relevant authorities created additional mid-year age categories (like we did in Ireland with car registrations from 2014 on) and they have managed to unearth more players whose birthdays are in the second half of the year as a result.

Topdawg · Post by **Topdawg** » March 15th, 2023, 9:54 pm

Munster have promoted Cian Hurley (2nd row/Backrow) from their academy to the senior squad so I think that rules out Soroka moving to Munster

mildlyinterested · Post by **mildlyinterested** » March 15th, 2023, 10:14 pm

Topdawg wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 9:54 pm Munster have promoted Cian Hurley (2nd row/Backrow) from their academy to the senior squad so I think that rules out Soroka moving to Munster

You would think so, but I wouldn't be sure. Wait and see I suppose.

Morf · Post by **Morf** » March 16th, 2023, 2:05 am

joooooe wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 3:59 pmMalcolm Gladwell addressed this in Outliers in relation to Canadian ice hockey. Player born in the first half of the year were over-represented in professional setups. This derived from older, bigger, stronger players getting into special camps, etc at age grade levels. The relevant authorities created additional mid-year age categories (like we did in Ireland with car registrations from 2014 on) and they have managed to unearth more players whose birthdays are in the second half of the year as a result.

Gladwell has a talent for taking a poor understanding of things and propagating them in the public conscious. See his really sh!t take on 10,000 hours (in a group of violinists pre-selected for talent in Berlin) which cannot be applied to general populations. It sounds like it makes sense but he didn't understand it and just shited it out because he liked the idea.

joooooe · Post by **joooooe** » March 16th, 2023, 9:14 am

Morf wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 2:05 am
joooooe wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 3:59 pmMalcolm Gladwell addressed this in Outliers in relation to Canadian ice hockey. Player born in the first half of the year were over-represented in professional setups. This derived from older, bigger, stronger players getting into special camps, etc at age grade levels. The relevant authorities created additional mid-year age categories (like we did in Ireland with car registrations from 2014 on) and they have managed to unearth more players whose birthdays are in the second half of the year as a result.
Gladwell has a talent for taking a poor understanding of things and propagating them in the public conscious. See his really sh!t take on 10,000 hours (in a group of violinists pre-selected for talent in Berlin) which cannot be applied to general populations. It sounds like it makes sense but he didn't understand it and just shited it out because he liked the idea.

Yeah, in fairness, he has come out and said the 10,000 hours "rule" was nonsense and that he regrets it.

the spoofer · Post by **the spoofer** » March 16th, 2023, 11:04 am

joooooe wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 3:59 pm
the spoofer wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 11:43 am
mildlyinterested wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 10:50 am Irish 20s, profiles online, no height/weight yet: https://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/under20/profiles/

Matthew Lynch: 23/01/2003
Sam Prendergast: 12/02/2003
Ronan Foxe: 13/02/2003
George Hadden: 20/02/2003
Diarmuid Mangan: 06/03/2003
Conor O’Tighearnaigh: 02/04/2003
Oscar Cawley: 01/05/2003
James Nicholson: 09/06/2003
Hugh Cooney: 26/06/2003
Gus McCarthy: 23/07/2003
Fintan Gunne: 28/07/2003
Noah Sheridan: 18/10/2003

Henry McErlean: ?
Paddy McCarthy: ?
Liam Molony: ?
George Morris: ?
Andrew Osborne: ?
Sam Berman: ?
Interesting that only 1 is born in last 3 months of the year. There is definitely strong evidence that kids born in the first 3 months of the year enjoy an advantage in terms of making development teams.
Malcolm Gladwell addressed this in Outliers in relation to Canadian ice hockey. Player born in the first half of the year were over-represented in professional setups. This derived from older, bigger, stronger players getting into special camps, etc at age grade levels. The relevant authorities created additional mid-year age categories (like we did in Ireland with car registrations from 2014 on) and they have managed to unearth more players whose birthdays are in the second half of the year as a result.

Yeah I read it a number of years ago. It might be a case of reinforcing my own bias but years of coaching underage led me to the same conclusion.

cormac · Post by **cormac** » March 16th, 2023, 11:10 am

Sean O'Brien leaving the academy to join Connacht.

wixfjord · Post by **wixfjord** » March 16th, 2023, 11:23 am

That's a really good pickup for them.

Morf · Post by **Morf** » March 16th, 2023, 8:12 pm

joooooe wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 9:14 am
Morf wrote: ↑March 16th, 2023, 2:05 am
joooooe wrote: ↑March 15th, 2023, 3:59 pmMalcolm Gladwell addressed this in Outliers in relation to Canadian ice hockey. Player born in the first half of the year were over-represented in professional setups. This derived from older, bigger, stronger players getting into special camps, etc at age grade levels. The relevant authorities created additional mid-year age categories (like we did in Ireland with car registrations from 2014 on) and they have managed to unearth more players whose birthdays are in the second half of the year as a result.
Gladwell has a talent for taking a poor understanding of things and propagating them in the public conscious. See his really sh!t take on 10,000 hours (in a group of violinists pre-selected for talent in Berlin) which cannot be applied to general populations. It sounds like it makes sense but he didn't understand it and just shited it out because he liked the idea.
Yeah, in fairness, he has come out and said the 10,000 hours "rule" was nonsense and that he regrets it.

Trying to lever the concept out of peoples' minds is a whole other thing. It makes sense in a way they don't want to reconsider. Like my mother hearing salt is bad for blood pressure decades ago - she cannot ever consider salt positively again.

johng · Post by **johng** » March 17th, 2023, 12:04 am

Salt is still the single worst thing for blood pressure though. Not just decades ago.

Oldschoolsocks · Post by **Oldschoolsocks** » March 17th, 2023, 12:07 am

johng wrote: ↑March 17th, 2023, 12:04 am Salt is still the single worst thing for blood pressure though. Not just decades ago.

Nah, comes a close second to Oldschool though

mildlyinterested · Post by **mildlyinterested** » March 20th, 2023, 2:25 pm

Ireland U19 Men Squad

Theo Bishop (IQ Rugby/Hartpury College)
Tadhg Brophy (Leinster/Newbridge College) - srumhalf
David Colbert (Leinster/Dublin University FC) - fullback/ring
Adam Deay (Leinster/Lansdowne FC) - TH Prop
Ethan Graham (Ulster/Ballynahinch RFC)
Sean Hopkins (Connacht/Ballina RFC)
Ben Howard (Leinster/St Michael’s) - LH Prop
Stephen Kiely (Munster/Old Crescent RFC)
Tom Larke (Leinster/Old Wesley RFC) - Outhalf
Mark Lee (Ulster/Rainey Old Boys RFC)
Ben McFarlane (Ulster/Methody)
James McKillop (Ulster/Foyle College)
Jack Murphy (Leinster/Pres Bray) - Outhalf
Sean Naughton (Leinster/Kilkenny College) - Outhalf
Luke O’Connor (Leinster/Lansdowne FC) - lock/blindside
James O’Loughlin (Leinster/Naas RFC) - lock
Jake O’Riordan (Munster/St. Munchin’s College)
Oisin Pepper (Munster/St. Munchin’s College)
Jacob Sheahan (Munster/UCC RFC)
Charlie Sheridan (Leinster/Naas RFC) centre
Stephen Smyth (Leinster/Kilkenny College) - hooker
Zac Solomon (Ulster/Belfast Harlequins RFC)
Josh Stevens (Ulster/Methody Belfast)
Richard Whelan (Leinster/Cistercian Roscrea) - backrow

Babbling 'brook

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