Blueberry wrote: ↑March 28th, 2021, 3:36 pm
ronk wrote: ↑March 28th, 2021, 1:58 pm
Blueberry wrote: ↑March 28th, 2021, 1:32 pm
Playing with the very best and fighting for places with the very best is always the best situation to be in. Even if you have a guaranteed 'starter' ahead of you the mindset needs to be 'what do I have to do to get ahead of that guy'. No one is so good you can't knock em off their perch.
Carbery for example since he moved has been exposed to poorer coaching, poorer quality in the team, less competition for a starting berth and been placed on a pedestal in Munster as the anointed one for 10. None of this helps him become the best. Scrapping for a berth in the Leinster 23 be that 10 or 15 would have been better for him.
Carbery might be the most overrated player for a long time in Ireland.
He hasn’t had many good games over the last number of years. There are guys who’ve looked and played great but regressed hard: like Madigan.
Look past a few highlights reel moments, were Munster even better with him in the team? Let alone taking them up a level?
Good points and let's be honest about this, it has really been Munster 'Hope' that Carbery would turn into a world class 10 and take over from J10 that has driven this hype without a huge amount of data or actual performance to back this up. I have always thought he was a 15 candidate and not an outhalf but he become a poster child for Munster getting back their mojo almost as if they can still be Munster and outmuscle teams but they needed a ROG replacement to get back to being the best !!
Of course the reality is they are being outmuscled by the very best teams like Leinster and as we all know your 10 is always going to struggle when behind a retreating pack so to be fair to Carbery it is a tall order. The problem isn't Carbery so much as their pack and not being at the top level on the physicality stakes to compete with the likes of Leinster. How would ROG have faired behind the current Munster pack......
I personally don't see Carbery becoming a top 10 in the current Munster setup, don't think he will have the chance. If I was advising him I would say move to another province or club and reset as a 15. Off to Connacht as their fullback isn't a bad move and then if he made a go of that and started challenging for the Irish 15 Jersey who knows. Just my 2 cents worth.
ROG played behind his share of beaten packs. Munster’s lack of possession stemmed from turnovers but they had a functional set piece. He’d have played for territory and engaged in a few games of kick tennis. With territory the penalties we gave up would have been points.
He wouldn’t have tried us on the outside (much) and he wouldn’t have left it to his pack to rumble when they weren’t up to it.
Carbery isn’t meant to be ROG. He’s the all action exciting outhalf who can kick. It’s a bigger ask, he has to be the mythical player that can do all the things ROG couldn’t.
He isn’t their problem but he’s a bigger issue than their fans realise. Munster built a squad out of decent players with serious gaps in their games.
If you ask those guys to do that one job you have success. But the top teams can expose that, and it’s not just Leinster finding the gaps. All the other top clubs do exactly the same.
