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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Right, from reading the comments directed at my comment on the match which includes getting blocked by one poster, I will bow out of this discussion.

I tried my best to keep it pg and not to offend, so I apologise if you took offence.

Hopefully we get you in the final.

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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munster#1 wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 1:59 pm
Right, from reading the comments directed at my comment on the match which includes getting blocked by one poster, I will bow out of this discussion.

I tried my best to keep it pg and not to offend, so I apologise if you took offence.

Hopefully we get you in the final.
Don't know why anybody is getting wound up. Of course you support your team, blocking people for having a different opinion is a bit ridiculous. Part of rugby is post match chat in the clubhouse.

I'd have been pished off after losing a close game too. Bloody frustrating to get close and not close it out.
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Some of the headline stats from ESPN are quite a bit different from those tweeted by Leinster - but they're interesting in light of some of the inaccurate and downright biased media reporting on the game:
Munster Leinster
1 Tries 1
1 from 1 Conversion goals 1 from 1
1 from 3 Penalty goals 2 from 2
50.0% Kick at goal success 100.0%
0 Dropped goals 0

Kick/pass/run
28 Kicks from hand 33
139 Passes 154
139 Runs 137
194 Metres run with ball 322

Attacking
50% (35%/62%) Possession (1H/2H) 50% (65%/38%)
53% (36%/67%) Territory (1H/2H) 47% (64%/33%)
2 Clean breaks 6
13 Defenders beaten 33
5 Offloads 3
128 from 130 (98.5%) Rucks won 117 from 121 (96.7%)
4 from 4 (100.0%) Mauls won 6 from 6 (100.0%)
13 Turnovers conceded 12

Defensive
168/33 Tackles made/missed 200/13
84.0% Tackling success rate 94.0%

Set pieces
3 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Scrums on own feed 8 won, 0 lost (100.0%)
9 won, 5 lost (64.3%) Lineouts on own throw 12 won, 0 lost (100.0%)

Discipline
9 Penalties conceded 8
0/0 Yellow/red cards 0/0
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Flash Gordon wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 2:07 pm
munster#1 wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 1:59 pm
Right, from reading the comments directed at my comment on the match which includes getting blocked by one poster, I will bow out of this discussion.

I tried my best to keep it pg and not to offend, so I apologise if you took offence.

Hopefully we get you in the final.
Don't know why anybody is getting wound up. Of course you support your team, blocking people for having a different opinion is a bit ridiculous. Part of rugby is post match chat in the clubhouse.

I'd have been pished off after losing a close game too. Bloody frustrating to get close and not close it out.
I didn’t think there was anything wrong with what he said.

Munster have been going well and Leinster have been a bit patched together with vulnerable areas worth attacking. Munster got joy in tactical kicking and when they got quick ball. But a few players hit form at the right time and a stronger Leinster team was still enough to overturn the deficit.

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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ronk wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 3:14 pm
Flash Gordon wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 2:07 pm
munster#1 wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 1:59 pm
Right, from reading the comments directed at my comment on the match which includes getting blocked by one poster, I will bow out of this discussion.

I tried my best to keep it pg and not to offend, so I apologise if you took offence.

Hopefully we get you in the final.
Don't know why anybody is getting wound up. Of course you support your team, blocking people for having a different opinion is a bit ridiculous. Part of rugby is post match chat in the clubhouse.

I'd have been pished off after losing a close game too. Bloody frustrating to get close and not close it out.
I didn’t think there was anything wrong with what he said.

Munster have been going well and Leinster have been a bit patched together with vulnerable areas worth attacking. Munster got joy in tactical kicking and when they got quick ball. But a few players hit form at the right time and a stronger Leinster team was still enough to overturn the deficit.
M#1 can't say anything without a few posters jumping down his throat, and in this case blocking him for expressing an opinion :roll:

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Dexter wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 2:44 pm
Some of the headline stats from ESPN are quite a bit different from those tweeted by Leinster - but they're interesting in light of some of the inaccurate and downright biased media reporting on the game:
Munster Leinster
1 Tries 1
1 from 1 Conversion goals 1 from 1
1 from 3 Penalty goals 2 from 2
50.0% Kick at goal success 100.0%
0 Dropped goals 0

Kick/pass/run
28 Kicks from hand 33
139 Passes 154
139 Runs 137
194 Metres run with ball 322

Attacking
50% (35%/62%) Possession (1H/2H) 50% (65%/38%)
53% (36%/67%) Territory (1H/2H) 47% (64%/33%)
2 Clean breaks 6
13 Defenders beaten 33
5 Offloads 3
128 from 130 (98.5%) Rucks won 117 from 121 (96.7%)
4 from 4 (100.0%) Mauls won 6 from 6 (100.0%)
13 Turnovers conceded 12

Defensive
168/33 Tackles made/missed 200/13
84.0% Tackling success rate 94.0%

Set pieces
3 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Scrums on own feed 8 won, 0 lost (100.0%)
9 won, 5 lost (64.3%) Lineouts on own throw 12 won, 0 lost (100.0%)

Discipline
9 Penalties conceded 8
0/0 Yellow/red cards 0/0
Funny, though not completely surprising, how subjective sports stats are.
When I was in college myself and a few friends did the stats at GAA and rugby games now and again, without much direction or any training. I would always take the player specific stats with a pinch of salt.
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munster#1 wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 1:59 pm
Right, from reading the comments directed at my comment on the match which includes getting blocked by one poster, I will bow out of this discussion.

I tried my best to keep it pg and not to offend, so I apologise if you took offence.

Hopefully we get you in the final.
So one person took umbrage to your reference to a supposed "missed crooked throw"? Big Deal in effin' Dodge. Don't be put out by that, in ainm Dé. I for one took no offence in your Munster-tinged account of what was a cracking game. I actually thought it was a fair call. We're Leinsterheads, you're a Munsterhead. Jointly we've a Pro14 Final to look forward to in this ongoing rivalry. Knocking heads is part of it. No bad feelings, dude!!! :P :P :P

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Had a look at that match winning line-out again. Looked straight enough to me tbh.
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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blockhead wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 4:39 pm
Had a look at that match winning line-out again. Looked straight enough to me tbh.
As our very own Dave Cahill reminds us again and again on Blues Talk TV, if the match officials don't pick up on something, it is/was legal.

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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blockhead wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 4:39 pm
Had a look at that match winning line-out again. Looked straight enough to me tbh.
It wasn't straight, it wasn't within cooey of being straight.

But if the opposition doesn't put a jumper in the air, refs are disinclined to penalise it because they aren't being disadvantaged, especially if its going outside the 15. Beirne at the Munster tail actually aborts his pod lifting him because he sees it's going outside the 15 - if he'd gone ahead with the lift the ref would have given the scrum/lineout option
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Dave Cahill wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 4:45 pm
blockhead wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 4:39 pm
Had a look at that match winning line-out again. Looked straight enough to me tbh.
It wasn't straight, it wasn't within cooey of being straight.

But if the opposition doesn't put a jumper in the air, refs are disinclined to penalise it because they aren't being disadvantaged, especially if its going outside the 15. Beirne at the Munster tail actually aborts his pod lifting him because he sees it's going outside the 15 - if he'd gone ahead with the lift the ref would have given the free kick
Isn't the opposition given an option of scrum/lineout when there is a crooked throw? i.e. not a free kick.

That lineout was crooked but like Dave pointed out....there was no munster players competing for it.

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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MylesNaGapoleen wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 5:26 pm

Isn't the opposition given an option of scrum/lineout when there is a crooked throw? i.e. not a free kick.
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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riocard911 wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 4:27 pm
munster#1 wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 1:59 pm
Right, from reading the comments directed at my comment on the match which includes getting blocked by one poster, I will bow out of this discussion.

I tried my best to keep it pg and not to offend, so I apologise if you took offence.

Hopefully we get you in the final.
So one person took umbrage to your reference to a supposed "missed crooked throw"? Big Deal in effin' Dodge. Don't be put out by that, in ainm Dé. I for one took no offence in your Munster-tinged account of what was a cracking game. I actually thought it was a fair call. We're Leinsterheads, you're a Munsterhead. Jointly we've a Pro14 Final to look forward to in this ongoing rivalry. Knocking heads is part of it. No bad feelings, dude!!! :P :P :P
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Laighin Break wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 3:25 pm
Dexter wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 2:44 pm
Some of the headline stats from ESPN are quite a bit different from those tweeted by Leinster - but they're interesting in light of some of the inaccurate and downright biased media reporting on the game:
Munster Leinster
1 Tries 1
1 from 1 Conversion goals 1 from 1
1 from 3 Penalty goals 2 from 2
50.0% Kick at goal success 100.0%
0 Dropped goals 0

Kick/pass/run
28 Kicks from hand 33
139 Passes 154
139 Runs 137
194 Metres run with ball 322

Attacking
50% (35%/62%) Possession (1H/2H) 50% (65%/38%)
53% (36%/67%) Territory (1H/2H) 47% (64%/33%)
2 Clean breaks 6
13 Defenders beaten 33
5 Offloads 3
128 from 130 (98.5%) Rucks won 117 from 121 (96.7%)
4 from 4 (100.0%) Mauls won 6 from 6 (100.0%)
13 Turnovers conceded 12

Defensive
168/33 Tackles made/missed 200/13
84.0% Tackling success rate 94.0%

Set pieces
3 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Scrums on own feed 8 won, 0 lost (100.0%)
9 won, 5 lost (64.3%) Lineouts on own throw 12 won, 0 lost (100.0%)

Discipline
9 Penalties conceded 8
0/0 Yellow/red cards 0/0
Funny, though not completely surprising, how subjective sports stats are.
When I was in college myself and a few friends did the stats at GAA and rugby games now and again, without much direction or any training. I would always take the player specific stats with a pinch of salt.
Yeah I do wonder about that. Seems to be a good bit of divergence in some of them. The possession, territory and metres mades stats are fairly consistent though.
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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Blocking someone for a fairly standard complaint about a clearly crooked lineout that the winning try came from is proper snowflake stuff!

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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The line out was in the grey area where many line outs are but don’t get slow mo replays.

There’s no actual definition of how straight it needs to be but there’s a working one that works off the position of the ball relative to the jumper’s body.

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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The actual definition is that the ball must be thrown straight along the mark of where ball goes into touch.

Most lineouts are 1-2 degrees within this.

This particular lineout ended up being collected past the outside arm.

So it probably should've been called as crooked.

It wasn't, which is great for us.

But to block someone because they pointed out it probably was? Really like?!

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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wixfjord wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 6:53 pm
The actual definition is that the ball must be thrown straight along the mark of where ball goes into touch.

Most lineouts are 1-2 degrees within this.

This particular lineout ended up being collected past the outside arm.

So it probably should've been called as crooked.

It wasn't, which is great for us.

But to block someone because they pointed out it probably was? Really like?!
You’re being a bit of a snowflake about this tbh...

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Re: Munster Away 26/12 19:35 Eir Sport 1

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Oldschoolsocks wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 7:50 pm
wixfjord wrote:
January 25th, 2021, 6:53 pm
The actual definition is that the ball must be thrown straight along the mark of where ball goes into touch.

Most lineouts are 1-2 degrees within this.

This particular lineout ended up being collected past the outside arm.

So it probably should've been called as crooked.

It wasn't, which is great for us.

But to block someone because they pointed out it probably was? Really like?!
You’re being a bit of a snowflake about this tbh...
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