Leinster Academy 2021-22

[TrapperChamonix]

Noticed a lot of player birthdays recently, looked up the academy and the volume of players born in the 1st half of their birth year compared to the 2nd half is notable:

Ryan - 3rd Feb
Milne - 5th Feb
McKee - 15th Feb
Soroka - 19th Feb
Clarkson - 22nd Feb
O'Reilly - 26th Feb
Deeny - 3rd Feb
Hanan - 10th March
McCarthy - 26th March
Comerford - 6th April
Silvester - 4th June
Hawkshaw - 3rd July
SOB - 31st July
Smith - 21st July
Moloney - 19th October
Foley - 24th October
Osborne - 16th November
Patterson - 30th November
O'Sullivan - 15th December

It would certainly seem that you have a better chance making it if you were born earlier in the year.

is 11 v's 8 a big anomaly? add back in Penny & Baird who fit into the academy age profile and you get 11 v 10.

[mildlyinterested]

Noticed a lot of player birthdays recently, looked up the academy and the volume of players born in the 1st half of their birth year compared to the 2nd half is notable:

Ryan - 3rd Feb
Milne - 5th Feb
McKee - 15th Feb
Soroka - 19th Feb
Clarkson - 22nd Feb
O'Reilly - 26th Feb
Deeny - 3rd Feb
Hanan - 10th March
McCarthy - 26th March
Comerford - 6th April
Silvester - 4th June
Hawkshaw - 3rd July
SOB - 31st July
Smith - 21st July
Moloney - 19th October
Foley - 24th October
Osborne - 16th November
Patterson - 30th November
O'Sullivan - 15th December

It would certainly seem that you have a better chance making it if you were born earlier in the year.

is 11 v's 8 a big anomaly? add back in Penny & Baird who fit into the academy age profile and you get 11 v 10.

so would harry byrne. making it 12 v 10.

I thought it was a notable anomaly.

[TrapperChamonix]

Noticed a lot of player birthdays recently, looked up the academy and the volume of players born in the 1st half of their birth year compared to the 2nd half is notable:

Ryan - 3rd Feb
Milne - 5th Feb
McKee - 15th Feb
Soroka - 19th Feb
Clarkson - 22nd Feb
O'Reilly - 26th Feb
Deeny - 3rd Feb
Hanan - 10th March
McCarthy - 26th March
Comerford - 6th April
Silvester - 4th June
Hawkshaw - 3rd July
SOB - 31st July
Smith - 21st July
Moloney - 19th October
Foley - 24th October
Osborne - 16th November
Patterson - 30th November
O'Sullivan - 15th December

It would certainly seem that you have a better chance making it if you were born earlier in the year.

is 11 v's 8 a big anomaly? add back in Penny & Baird who fit into the academy age profile and you get 11 v 10.

so would harry byrne. making it 12 v 10.

I thought it was a notable anomaly.

12 v 10 on a single sample is not an anomaly. At the very least you'd need multiple data sets. You'd also need to understand if the distribution of births by month was skewed.

[mildlyinterested]

Maybe anomaly was a bit much, just thought it notable.. you can split the senior squad, for leinster underage players and get a similar split.

Jan - June(23)
Andrew Porter(16 jan)
Greg McGrath(21 Jan)
Rory O'Loughlin(21 jan)
Ronan Kelleher(24 Jan)
Luke McGrath(3 feb)
Conor O'Brien(6 feb)
Vakh(6 February)
josh Murphy(17 Feb)
Hugh O'Sullivan(24 feb)
Caelan Doris(2 April)
James tracy(2 april)
Will Connors(4 April)
Ross Byrne(8 April)
Adam Byrne(10 april)
Harry Byrne(22 april)
JVDF(25 april)
Ross Molony(11 May)
Dan Leavy(23 May)
Tommy O'Brien(28 may)
Jordan Larmour(10 june)
Hugo Keenan(18 jun)
Dave Kearney(19 jun)
Garry Ringrose(26 jan)
Devin Toner(29 jun)

july-december(16)
Johnny Sexton(11 Jul)
James Ryan(24 Jul)
Ryan Baird(26 July)
Jack Conan(29 July)
Peter Dooley(4 August)
Cian Kelleher(7 aug)
Ed Byrne(9 September)
Dan Sheehan(17 sept)
Scott Penny(22 sept)
Max Deegan(1 October)
Cian Healy(7 Oct)
Rowan Osborne(3 nov)
Tadhg Furlong(14 Nov)
Jack Dunne(21 Nov)
Jimmy O'Brien(27 nov)
Ciaran Frawley(4 dec)

[Laighin Break]

Noticed a lot of player birthdays recently, looked up the academy and the volume of players born in the 1st half of their birth year compared to the 2nd half is notable:

Ryan - 3rd Feb
Milne - 5th Feb
McKee - 15th Feb
Soroka - 19th Feb
Clarkson - 22nd Feb
O'Reilly - 26th Feb
Deeny - 3rd Feb
Hanan - 10th March
McCarthy - 26th March
Comerford - 6th April
Silvester - 4th June
Hawkshaw - 3rd July
SOB - 31st July
Smith - 21st July
Moloney - 19th October
Foley - 24th October
Osborne - 16th November
Patterson - 30th November
O'Sullivan - 15th December

It would certainly seem that you have a better chance making it if you were born earlier in the year.

is 11 v's 8 a big anomaly? add back in Penny & Baird who fit into the academy age profile and you get 11 v 10.

so would harry byrne. making it 12 v 10.

I thought it was a notable anomaly.

Depends on how you look at it too. Twice as many players were born in the first 4 months of the year than were in the last 4 months

[Morf]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

[the spoofer]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

Nah, teachers are great at planning birth dates!!

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

I enjoyed his podcast when I first heard it but quickly realised that an idea gets into his head and he just works back from that and different bits of data back him up. It’s been years since I read it but I felt the same about freakonomics.

[hugonaut]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

I enjoyed his podcast when I first heard it but quickly realised that an idea gets into his head and he just works back from that and different bits of data back him up. It’s been years since I read it but I felt the same about freakonomics.

He seems like a very nice guy, and his writing tone gets across his personality well, which is a very useful talent when you're a nice guy. But I am sort of amazed that he has maintained the level of cultural pre-eminence that he reached 15-20 years ago.

[Oldschoolsocks]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

Nah, teachers are great at planning birth dates!!

[fourthirtythree]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

I enjoyed his podcast when I first heard it but quickly realised that an idea gets into his head and he just works back from that and different bits of data back him up. It’s been years since I read it but I felt the same about freakonomics.

You are dead right. In Freakonomics he literally explains how he cherry picks data and discards what doesn't fit his hypothesis as "experience" meaning he knows how to adjust data sets. I'm told by people who actually know what they are talking about that Gladwrll doesn't. Seems charming though.

If I get time this week I'll have a look at the dates for Leinster academy, historical ones, and senior players and hopefully some other team to get a sense of whether it's an issue. The data provided above is not enough to make a theory out of.

[Lock9541]

Anyone what’s the story with Milne? Haven’t seen him play in ages.

[mildlyinterested]

injured.

[TrapperChamonix]

Gladwell talked about it and like most things he vaguely understood it. 10,000 hour rule being another.

It's not considered that much of a thing in LTAD as far as I'm aware. You'd have to assume all parents are procreating evenly across the year and so many other things for it to be nearly so much of an oversight of talent.

I enjoyed his podcast when I first heard it but quickly realised that an idea gets into his head and he just works back from that and different bits of data back him up. It’s been years since I read it but I felt the same about freakonomics.

that expresses 100% my experience of listening to his podcasts as well.

[mildlyinterested]

LH Prop
Michael Milne(Roscrea/UCD) - u22, Y3 - 5 senior apps(154 mins), 1 'A' app, injured.
Marcus Hanan(Clane/Old Belvedere) - u21, Y1 - 1 senior app, 3 'A' apps.
Jack Boyle(STMC/UCD) - u19, sub - 3 'A' apps.

TH Prop
Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - u21, Y2 - 6 senior apps(194 mins), 2 'A' apps.

Hooker
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u21, Y1 - 1 'A' app. injured.
Lee Barron(STMC/DUFC) - u20, sub - 3 'A' apps.

Lock
Charlie Ryan(Blackrock/UCD) - u22, Y2 - 3 'A' apps.
Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf) - u21, Y2 - 0 apps. injured.
Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC) - u20, Y1 - 3 'A' apps.
Mark Morrissey(Blackrock/UCD) - u19, sub - 2 'A' apps.

Backrow
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Clontarf) - u22, Y2 - 2 'A' apps. injured.
Sean O’Brien(Blackrock/UCD) - u21, Y1- 4 'A' apps.
Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Clontarf) - u20, Y1 - 1 senior app(22 min), 3 'A' apps.
Mark Hernan(STMC/Lansdowne) - u21, sub - 1 'A' app.

Scrumhalf
Patrick Patterson(Blackrock/UCD) - u23, Y3 - 1 'A' app.
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/Lansdowne) - u22, Y2 - 4 'A' apps

Outhalf
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf) - u22, Y3 - 7 senior apps(129 mins), 4 'A' apps.
TIm Corkery(Kilkenny/UCD) - u20, sub - 1 'A' app.

Centre
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC) - u22, Y2 - 6 senior apps(363 mins), 3 'A' apps.
Jamie Osborne(Naas/Naas) - u20, Y1 - 3 senior apps(100 mins), 3 'A' apps.
Karl Martin(Boyne/Old Belvedere) - u19, sub - 1 'A' app.

Back Three
Michael Silvester(Clongowes/DUFC) - u23, Y3 - 2 senior apps(55 mins), 2 'A' apps. injured.
Aaron O’Sullivan(Exile/Blackrock) - u22, Y3 - 2 'A' apps. injured.
Max O’Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC) - u21, Y1 - 4 senior apps(243 mins), 3 'A' apps.
Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD) - u21, Y1 - 4 'A' apps.
Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf) - u21, Y1 - 1 senior app(80 mins), 3 'A' apps. injured.
Chris Cosgrave(STMC/UCD) - u20, sub - 3 'A' apps.

[arsebiscuits1]

Hooker
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u21, Y1 - 1 senior app. injured.

Did McKee line out for the seniors? When?

[mildlyinterested]

Hooker
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u21, Y1 - 1 senior app. injured.

Did McKee line out for the seniors? When?

ah sorry, that should be A app.

[Ruckedtobits]

Really good story here of one that got away:

https://www.the42.ie/cormac-izuchukwu-u ... 6-Mar2021/

[mildlyinterested]

Really good story here of one that got away:

https://www.the42.ie/cormac-izuchukwu-u ... 6-Mar2021/

real miss by leinster IMO.

Had a real look at him in the summer/autumn of 2019 and passed.

not enough of these projects with high athletic upside are persisted with in leinster setup, leinster's spotty 2nd row development really covered up by the Ryan and Baird being can't miss players coming out of school.

[mildlyinterested]

Tim Corkery with squad in Belfast.