Scrumhalf going forward

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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mildlyinterested wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 8:39 am
going to watch the munster benetton game now for my sins to see how he played.
thought he played well behind a beaten pack, setup a try with an offload from the deck.

Will keep an eye on Munster more now to see how he goes given he has a chance to build some game time during the 6 nations.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Luke's stats for Jan 2021:

2️⃣4️⃣7️⃣ minutes played
2️⃣ tries
3️⃣2️⃣ carries
1️⃣5️⃣2️⃣ metres gained
9️⃣ defenders beaten
1️⃣9️⃣ tackles

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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mildlyinterested wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 2:44 pm
Luke's stats for Jan 2021:

2️⃣4️⃣7️⃣ minutes played
2️⃣ tries
3️⃣2️⃣ carries
1️⃣5️⃣2️⃣ metres gained
9️⃣ defenders beaten
1️⃣9️⃣ tackles
SFW!

If his pass was quicker and persistently accurate, he would (and should) have displaced Murray 18 months ago.

However, it isn't and he hasn't and Leinster continue to have one of the best pound-for-pound rugby players in Europe available most weeks, whose sole weakness is that he isn't a great passer.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Yep I tend to agree.. huge shame that he could never get his passing sorted out as it's the only thing that's preventing him from being an elite scrumhalf.

A dedicated skills coach might help him get more consistency, but it's probably too late for Luke.

Still you'd fancy him to get over 200 leinster caps.

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Passing may be his sole weakness, but we’re talking about a scrum half here — when you have ~90 touches in a game like he did vs Scarlets and 80 of them are passes, having a bad pass becomes a bit of a problem.

I do like Luke all the same, his snipes are excellent and he has a great eye for the try line. He has games where he hits nearly every pass on the money and follows it up with games where most passes go over the receivers head.

I do wonder how much Leinster are held back by his less than excellent pass. Maybe not at all, it’s not like we’ve done badly with him at 9, but maybe we could have replicated the European dominance of 09-12 with someone more reliable at the helm?

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I'd be quite happy with us bringing in a kiwi and letting them do a 5 year residency. This has being a problem for ages and we haven't been able to solve like other problem positions. Let's do a Munster on it!

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Serb wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 12:48 am
Passing may be his sole weakness, but we’re talking about a scrum half here — when you have ~90 touches in a game like he did vs Scarlets and 80 of them are passes, having a bad pass becomes a bit of a problem.

I do like Luke all the same, his snipes are excellent and he has a great eye for the try line. He has games where he hits nearly every pass on the money and follows it up with games where most passes go over the receivers head.

I do wonder how much Leinster are held back by his less than excellent pass. Maybe not at all, it’s not like we’ve done badly with him at 9, but maybe we could have replicated the European dominance of 09-12 with someone more reliable at the helm?
we didn't lose to saracens last october due to luke mcgrath's passing.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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sunshiner1 wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 6:21 am
I'd be quite happy with us bringing in a kiwi and letting them do a 5 year residency. This has being a problem for ages and we haven't been able to solve like other problem positions. Let's do a Munster on it!
we've done this already, it hasn't solved anything.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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I think patience is needed in this position. Granted we are not in luxurious position of a few years where we had Reddan & Boss as our senior 9's and then we had Luke behind them. JGP will be 29 this year and Luke just turned 28 so we've at least 3 years left of the two of them at their peak. There are a few excellent prospects coming through at schools level, the best of which I think is Gunne from Michaels. 3 years to find and develop a 9 shouldn't be beyond us.

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Not sure about excellent prospects... lack of game time this year certainly won't have helped.. lets hope the scrumhalves have spent their time off working on their passes.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Nick Mc did well last night playing the full game for Munster.. 2nd time he has done that with Patterson not getting off the bench.

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Always thought Nick had a pretty good pass.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Don't think his passing was ever really an issue. It's not elite but usually very good.

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Senior team appearances at 9:
Luke McGrath - 11 starts, 4 sub apps - 858 mins
Jamison Gibson Park - 4 starts, 2 sub apps - 275 mins
Hugh O'Sullivan - 4 sub apps - 60 mins
Rowan Osborne - 3 sub apps - 28 mins

'A' team 9 appearances
Cormac Foley - 2 starts, 2 sub apps
Hugh O'Sullivan - 2 starts
Rowan Osborne - 2 sub apps
Paddy Patterson - 1 sub apps
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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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mildlyinterested wrote:
March 3rd, 2021, 12:59 pm
Senior team appearances at 9:
Hugh O'Sullivan - 4 sub appearances - 60 mins
Rowan Osborne - 3 sub appearances - 28 mins

'A' team 9 appearances
Cormac Foley - 2 start, 2 sub
Hugh O'Sullivan - 2 start
Rowan Osborne - 2 sub
Paddy Patterson - 1 sub
Looks like they really don’t have any faith in the upcoming scrum halves

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Re: Scrumhalf going forward

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Lock9541 wrote:
March 3rd, 2021, 1:03 pm

Looks like they really don’t have any faith in the upcoming scrum halves
that's been clear for awhile.. McCarthy returning would further underline that.

most young and upcoming scrumhalves need to play to develop.. and leinster's young 9's just haven't played enough rugby at any level to develop further.

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