2nd Row going forward

[Lock9541]

Year 2 Academy to senior contract. Well done. Frees up space in the academy for a row.

Mangan and COT.

Mangan and Morrissey looks a much better prospect then COT

Exactly. Morrissey has been fantastic it has to be him and Mangan

[riocard911]

MISSION (IM)POSSIBLE

RYAN BAIRD, YOUR MISSION, should you accept it, IS TO BECOME AS STRONG, ATHLETIC AND AS BIG AN ANNOYANCE AS MARO ITOJE, by the last match of the 2023 6 NATIONS tournament, six months before RWC 2023 in France.

JOE McCARTHY, YOUR MISSION, should you accept it, IS TO BECOME AS EFFECTIVE AS TAGDH BEIRNE IN LINEOURS, TURNOVERS AND OPEN-FIELD RUNNING, before the first match of the 2023 6 NATIONS tournament, nine months before the 2023 RWC in France.

IMO, both of these young men are capable of taking on these Missions and achieving them and thus presenting themselves as viable candidates for selection for the Irish Squad in 2023 RWC.

BTW, it is automatically assumed that you will continue and improve your development in all of the other aspects of second-row play, notably scrummaging and maul play.

Good luck in your endeavours.

"This tape will self-destruct in five seconds."

Cue Lalo Schifrin's Mission Impossible Theme....

[ronk]

I don't think either player sees themselves as that sort of lock.

Both players would be doing well to develop in that time frame rather than be thinking of matching the top proponents of certain aspects of the game in their position.

Baird has been with Ireland but Molony has been picked for Leinster. Fitting the game-plan could be the reason but it's as easy to say that Baird is with Ireland as a long term investment.

One of the most important lessons about Beirne is that fitting to a mould is not always the best way to go. This article about Marcus Smith also interesting
https://www.the42.ie/marcus-smith-kiero ... 0-Mar2022/

McCarthy is an exciting player and a nice surprise. I'd heard some very positive comments but wasn't expecting anything so soon. He has a fair bit to go though.

Leinster's challenge is to move on from Toner and the way he stood out while figuring out a way to combine McCarthy, Baird and Soroka to our mutual benefit).

We're talking about up to 5 slots in a match day 23, so it's very doable.

[mildlyinterested]

Big Joe looking Big.

[Lock9541]

Big Joe looking Big.

He is massive, some late developer. It’s actually astonishing how much muscle he’s put on since school. He was half the size in 2019 he didn’t even stand out as big now look at him. Incredible.

[Oldschool]

MISSION (IM)POSSIBLE

RYAN BAIRD, YOUR MISSION, should you accept it, IS TO BECOME AS STRONG, ATHLETIC AND AS BIG AN ANNOYANCE AS MARO ITOJE, by the last match of the 2023 6 NATIONS tournament, six months before RWC 2023 in France.

JOE McCARTHY, YOUR MISSION, should you accept it, IS TO BECOME AS EFFECTIVE AS TAGDH BEIRNE IN LINEOURS, TURNOVERS AND OPEN-FIELD RUNNING, before the first match of the 2023 6 NATIONS tournament, nine months before the 2023 RWC in France.

IMO, both of these young men are capable of taking on these Missions and achieving them and thus presenting themselves as viable candidates for selection for the Irish Squad in 2023 RWC.

BTW, it is automatically assumed that you will continue and improve your development in all of the other aspects of second-row play, notably scrummaging and maul play.

Good luck in your endeavours.

"This tape will self-destruct in five seconds."

Cue Lalo Schifrin's Mission Impossible Theme....

No need for the tape to self destruct, you might want to replay it a few times.

[ChrisUppy]

Big Joe looking Big.

He is massive, some late developer. It’s actually astonishing how much muscle he’s put on since school. He was half the size in 2019 he didn’t even stand out as big now look at him. Incredible.

Late developer? The lad's 20. We're getting too used to locks coming developed straight out of school - now an additional year is a late developer!

[hugonaut]

Big Joe looking Big.

He is massive, some late developer. It’s actually astonishing how much muscle he’s put on since school. He was half the size in 2019 he didn’t even stand out as big now look at him. Incredible.

2019 is three years ago, in fairness. Sometimes it doesn't feel like it, but it is.

[Lock9541]

Big Joe looking Big.

He is massive, some late developer. It’s actually astonishing how much muscle he’s put on since school. He was half the size in 2019 he didn’t even stand out as big now look at him. Incredible.

Late developer? The lad's 20. We're getting too used to locks coming developed straight out of school - now an additional year is a late developer!

He never played Junior Cup was always on the 3rds team in school all the way up, he was small, then in Sixth year he played SCT, he only got big after school. He is a late developer.

[sunshiner1]

by Lock9541

Exactly. Morrissey has been fantastic it has to be him and Mangan

Think your selling COT short but it's fantastic that we have three great prospects to choose from.

[desperado]

Faz senior had some glowing words of praise for 'Big Joe'. In fairness he's been pretty impressive in all his games to date for us.
https://www.the42.ie/andy-farrell-joe-m ... 1-Mar2022/

[dropkick]

by Lock9541

Exactly. Morrissey has been fantastic it has to be him and Mangan

Think your selling COT short but it's fantastic that we have three great prospects to choose from.

Indeed COT has been very good. He's made some good carries in every match, been part of that dynamic ireland pack and I can't remember him making any mistakes. I see he's listed at 109kg and is 2.01m at the moment and can easily get to a standard 115kg or higher.


What height is Mangan?

[mildlyinterested]

by Lock9541

Exactly. Morrissey has been fantastic it has to be him and Mangan

Think your selling COT short but it's fantastic that we have three great prospects to choose from.

Indeed COT has been very good. He's made some good carries in every match, been part of that dynamic ireland pack and I can't remember him making any mistakes. I see he's listed at 109kg and is 2.01m at the moment and can easily get to a standard 115kg or higher.


What height is Mangan?

Mangan is around 6'4-6'5.

[Lock9541]

Think your selling COT short but it's fantastic that we have three great prospects to choose from.

Indeed COT has been very good. He's made some good carries in every match, been part of that dynamic ireland pack and I can't remember him making any mistakes. I see he's listed at 109kg and is 2.01m at the moment and can easily get to a standard 115kg or higher.


What height is Mangan?

Mangan is around 6'4-6'5.

Probably his long term position is at 6 then

[brotheroffrank]

He is massive, some late developer. It’s actually astonishing how much muscle he’s put on since school. He was half the size in 2019 he didn’t even stand out as big now look at him. Incredible.

Late developer? The lad's 20. We're getting too used to locks coming developed straight out of school - now an additional year is a late developer!

He never played Junior Cup was always on the 3rds team in school all the way up, he was small, then in Sixth year he played SCT, he only got big after school. He is a late developer.

wasn't there another "late developer", young lad from Clontarf, who had difficulty getting a regular spot on the Rock JCT and SCT teams in the mid 90's? Parents were doctors and his older sister did some podcasts not so long ago about the theory of Relativity.....what became of him....?

[Oldschoolsocks]

Late developer? The lad's 20. We're getting too used to locks coming developed straight out of school - now an additional year is a late developer!

He never played Junior Cup was always on the 3rds team in school all the way up, he was small, then in Sixth year he played SCT, he only got big after school. He is a late developer.

wasn't there another "late developer", young lad from Clontarf, who had difficulty getting a regular spot on the Rock JCT and SCT teams in the mid 90's? Parents were doctors and his older sister did some podcasts not so long ago about the theory of Relativity.....what became of him....?

He got a manky haircut and married an influencer

[Barry]

He never played Junior Cup was always on the 3rds team in school all the way up, he was small, then in Sixth year he played SCT, he only got big after school. He is a late developer.

wasn't there another "late developer", young lad from Clontarf, who had difficulty getting a regular spot on the Rock JCT and SCT teams in the mid 90's? Parents were doctors and his older sister did some podcasts not so long ago about the theory of Relativity.....what became of him....?

He got a manky haircut and married an influencer

Ended up working on foreign telly

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[Ayewserious]

by Lock9541

Exactly. Morrissey has been fantastic it has to be him and Mangan

Think your selling COT short but it's fantastic that we have three great prospects to choose from.

Indeed COT has been very good. He's made some good carries in every match, been part of that dynamic ireland pack and I can't remember him making any mistakes. I see he's listed at 109kg and is 2.01m at the moment and can easily get to a standard 115kg or higher.


What height is Mangan?

COT is only 18 so can play again next year, very impressive

[sunshiner1]

by Ayewserious

COT is only 18 so can play again next year, very impressive

I wonder will Leinster bring in Morrisey this year and wait another year to bring in COT? If he's that young another year of sub-academy and U20's would probably be the best option.

[blockhead]

Locks details from URC.
Baird-1.98m/6'6" 113kg/17st 11lb
Deeny-1.98m/6'6" 118kg/18st 8lb
Jenkins-2.03m/6'8" 124kg/19st 7lb
McCarthy-1.98m/6'6" 119kg/18st 10lb
Molony-1.98m/6'6" 116kg/18st 3lb
C. Ryan-2.01m/6'7" 115kg/18st 1lb
J. Ryan-2.01m/6'7" 115kg/18st 1lb