Toulouse vs Leinster

[El Diablo]

Has our lineout got worse this year? The last lineout loss (to the back through Toner's hands) was crucial as Toulouse owned the ball for the 2 or 3 minutes that were left. At first I assumed it was an over-throw but looking back Toner has no front lifter and does remarkably well to even get his finger tips to it. He was lucky not to get injured as he came crashing down. I could be wrong but it looks like Jack McGrath is the culprit as he goes to lift Fardy at the front. It just looks like he is in the wrong place. If he got his call wrong at such an important point in the game, he will be in hot water with management. Cronin is getting a bit of stick this year but perhaps it is not all his fault and there isnt the same level of organisation as last year.

Our lineout stats as far as I know are close to if not 90% which is pretty good
That last lineout that we lost looked like jack Mc just messed it up leading to a crucial turnover
IMO he’s been way below par this year and looks unfit but that’s a side topic
Our line out if anything looks a bit sloppy( poor lifts, poor jumping, poor communication, sloppy throw)compared to last year which I’m sure can be addressed
I think cronin does take a lot of unwarranted slack here most of the time even though there are so many working parts to a lineout, granted he’d an off day against wasps but can’t remember any others of recent time and I don’t think he’s throwing any worse than the Irish captain at the minute and I’d playing far better stuff around the park

O'Driscoll when asked by Craig Doyle on BT if Cronin should start for Ireland: basically said yes "if he sorts out his darts"....damned with faint praise!

[Oldschool]

Has our lineout got worse this year? The last lineout loss (to the back through Toner's hands) was crucial as Toulouse owned the ball for the 2 or 3 minutes that were left. At first I assumed it was an over-throw but looking back Toner has no front lifter and does remarkably well to even get his finger tips to it. He was lucky not to get injured as he came crashing down. I could be wrong but it looks like Jack McGrath is the culprit as he goes to lift Fardy at the front. It just looks like he is in the wrong place. If he got his call wrong at such an important point in the game, he will be in hot water with management. Cronin is getting a bit of stick this year but perhaps it is not all his fault and there isnt the same level of organisation as last year.

Our lineout has been very poor for a few seasons. Fardy made a big difference to it last season but now with Toner Ryan and Ruddock starting over him he is slightly less influential. So without having any stats, I wouldn't be surprised if it was worse.

We all know why and we all disagree.

[EarthGorilla]

Happy to stand corrected on the stats, but I have felt that our lineout was the one area I would worry about even last season when we looked so solid. But stats don't lie.

Has our lineout got worse this year? The last lineout loss (to the back through Toner's hands) was crucial as Toulouse owned the ball for the 2 or 3 minutes that were left. At first I assumed it was an over-throw but looking back Toner has no front lifter and does remarkably well to even get his finger tips to it. He was lucky not to get injured as he came crashing down. I could be wrong but it looks like Jack McGrath is the culprit as he goes to lift Fardy at the front. It just looks like he is in the wrong place. If he got his call wrong at such an important point in the game, he will be in hot water with management. Cronin is getting a bit of stick this year but perhaps it is not all his fault and there isnt the same level of organisation as last year.

Our lineout has been very poor for a few seasons. Fardy made a big difference to it last season but now with Toner Ryan and Ruddock starting over him he is slightly less influential. So without having any stats, I wouldn't be surprised if it was worse.

We all know why and we all disagree.

What do you mean?

[Oldschool]

We all know why and we all disagree.

What do you mean?

Basically there has been a lot of discussion about the lineout topic.
Everyone agrees we have a problem but nobody agrees on the solution.
Personally if the throw is not straight or reasonably accurate then no matter how well the rest of the lineout elements are working you are goosed but posters answer to that is that I don't understand (and I'm not the only one apparently).
I understood perfectly and having jumped at both 2 and 4, I can assure them of the absolute importance of the throw.

[Ruckedtobits]

While Ireland were in Soldier's Field on Saturday night Toulouse were back in Stade Ernest-Wallon putting 40 points on a Bordeaux-Begles team who started the day in 5th position, two places behind Toulouse in this season's Top 14. The gap this morning is six places with the weekend's results pushing Toulouse up to 2nd behind Clermont.

Toulouse picked up five tries on Saturday night with winger Bonneval getting a pair and although the Springbok flyer Cheslin Kolbe didn't figure on the scoresheet, he did collect the Midi Olympique Player of the Week and a call-up to the Springbok Squad for the remainder of November.

Toulouse, like Leinster in our country, is the bell-weather of their country's rugby. When "Les rouge et noir" are going well, everthing is possible in French rugby. When they are in the doldrums, French rugby stumbles from crisis to crisis. Of course, it is rarely as simple as this, but that is the interpretation that the non-rugby media put on things.

As a consequence, coupled with the defeat of next weekend's opponents, South Africa, by their oldest enemy England, who won despite playing terrible rugby, the French rugby media are optimistic again. Frances prospects for wins against South Africa (10th), Argentina (17th) and Fiji (24th Nov) are looking and feeling very good.

Toulouse have only one forward in the current French Squad, Marchand, an all-action, 22 year-old hooker, who may bench in the selection against SA. However Toulouse also have in their pack Joe Tekori and Florian Verhaeghe in the second-row and the latter is included in next weekend's French Barbarians team versus Tonga. Add in seven backs selected in the French Squad for November and you start to understand the importance of the Club to the national rugby psyche.

From a Leinster perspective our support and prayers for next month should be targeted towards Wasps. If they could grab at least one victory against Toulouse in their back-to-back games, its just possible that Toulouse's Dec 22nd clash with Top14 leaders Clermont, may destract their focus on Europe.

Make no mistake, right now Toulouse and their media support, see no reason why they can't win their European Pool and emerge with a home quarter-final. They have convinced themselves that the majority of Leinster front-liners are focussed solely on Ireland's quest for a World Cup semi-final or final - and the French believe that dream is possible. They argue that Girvan Dempsey will have "spilled the beans" to his new employer Bath, about how to beat Leinster and they hope to come to Dublin to find a Leinster team with "their focus elsewhere".

All plausible, but don't think Leo and Stuart have that version of the script.

[neiliog93]

While Ireland were in Soldier's Field on Saturday night Toulouse were back in Stade Ernest-Wallon putting 40 points on a Bordeaux-Begles team who started the day in 5th position, two places behind Toulouse in this season's Top 14. The gap this morning is six places with the weekend's results pushing Toulouse up to 2nd behind Clermont.

Toulouse picked up five tries on Saturday night with winger Bonneval getting a pair and although the Springbok flyer Cheslin Kolbe didn't figure on the scoresheet, he did collect the Midi Olympique Player of the Week and a call-up to the Springbok Squad for the remainder of November.

Toulouse, like Leinster in our country, is the bell-weather of their country's rugby. When "Les rouge et noir" are going well, everthing is possible in French rugby. When they are in the doldrums, French rugby stumbles from crisis to crisis. Of course, it is rarely as simple as this, but that is the interpretation that the non-rugby media put on things.

As a consequence, coupled with the defeat of next weekend's opponents, South Africa, by their oldest enemy England, who won despite playing terrible rugby, the French rugby media are optimistic again. Frances prospects for wins against South Africa (10th), Argentina (17th) and Fiji (24th Nov) are looking and feeling very good.

Toulouse have only one forward in the current French Squad, Marchand, an all-action, 22 year-old hooker, who may bench in the selection against SA. However Toulouse also have in their pack Joe Tekori and Florian Verhaeghe in the second-row and the latter is included in next weekend's French Barbarians team versus Tonga. Add in seven backs selected in the French Squad for November and you start to understand the importance of the Club to the national rugby psyche.

From a Leinster perspective our support and prayers for next month should be targeted towards Wasps. If they could grab at least one victory against Toulouse in their back-to-back games, its just possible that Toulouse's Dec 22nd clash with Top14 leaders Clermont, may destract their focus on Europe.

Make no mistake, right now Toulouse and their media support, see no reason why they can't win their European Pool and emerge with a home quarter-final. They have convinced themselves that the majority of Leinster front-liners are focussed solely on Ireland's quest for a World Cup semi-final or final - and the French believe that dream is possible. They argue that Girvan Dempsey will have "spilled the beans" to his new employer Bath, about how to beat Leinster and they hope to come to Dublin to find a Leinster team with "their focus elsewhere".

All plausible, but don't think Leo and Stuart have that version of the script.

Not plausible at all. We'll gut them at the RDS after the boot up the arse. 20+ point margin of victory.

[curates_egg]

While Ireland were in Soldier's Field on Saturday night Toulouse were back in Stade Ernest-Wallon putting 40 points on a Bordeaux-Begles team who started the day in 5th position, two places behind Toulouse in this season's Top 14. The gap this morning is six places with the weekend's results pushing Toulouse up to 2nd behind Clermont.

Toulouse picked up five tries on Saturday night with winger Bonneval getting a pair and although the Springbok flyer Cheslin Kolbe didn't figure on the scoresheet, he did collect the Midi Olympique Player of the Week and a call-up to the Springbok Squad for the remainder of November.

Toulouse, like Leinster in our country, is the bell-weather of their country's rugby. When "Les rouge et noir" are going well, everthing is possible in French rugby. When they are in the doldrums, French rugby stumbles from crisis to crisis. Of course, it is rarely as simple as this, but that is the interpretation that the non-rugby media put on things.

As a consequence, coupled with the defeat of next weekend's opponents, South Africa, by their oldest enemy England, who won despite playing terrible rugby, the French rugby media are optimistic again. Frances prospects for wins against South Africa (10th), Argentina (17th) and Fiji (24th Nov) are looking and feeling very good.

Toulouse have only one forward in the current French Squad, Marchand, an all-action, 22 year-old hooker, who may bench in the selection against SA. However Toulouse also have in their pack Joe Tekori and Florian Verhaeghe in the second-row and the latter is included in next weekend's French Barbarians team versus Tonga. Add in seven backs selected in the French Squad for November and you start to understand the importance of the Club to the national rugby psyche.

From a Leinster perspective our support and prayers for next month should be targeted towards Wasps. If they could grab at least one victory against Toulouse in their back-to-back games, its just possible that Toulouse's Dec 22nd clash with Top14 leaders Clermont, may destract their focus on Europe.

Make no mistake, right now Toulouse and their media support, see no reason why they can't win their European Pool and emerge with a home quarter-final. They have convinced themselves that the majority of Leinster front-liners are focussed solely on Ireland's quest for a World Cup semi-final or final - and the French believe that dream is possible. They argue that Girvan Dempsey will have "spilled the beans" to his new employer Bath, about how to beat Leinster and they hope to come to Dublin to find a Leinster team with "their focus elsewhere".

All plausible, but don't think Leo and Stuart have that version of the script.

Not plausible at all. We'll gut them at the RDS after the boot up the arse. 20+ point margin of victory.

Thankfully, I don't think Lancullen will have that version of the script either. We seem to have approached the last game like that, we can't make the same mistake again. We might beat them well if things fall our way, but we should prepare for them to take it to us.
Their tails are up and they have a chip on their shoulder about us.

[Oldschool]

While Ireland were in Soldier's Field on Saturday night Toulouse were back in Stade Ernest-Wallon putting 40 points on a Bordeaux-Begles team who started the day in 5th position, two places behind Toulouse in this season's Top 14. The gap this morning is six places with the weekend's results pushing Toulouse up to 2nd behind Clermont.

Toulouse picked up five tries on Saturday night with winger Bonneval getting a pair and although the Springbok flyer Cheslin Kolbe didn't figure on the scoresheet, he did collect the Midi Olympique Player of the Week and a call-up to the Springbok Squad for the remainder of November.

Toulouse, like Leinster in our country, is the bell-weather of their country's rugby. When "Les rouge et noir" are going well, everthing is possible in French rugby. When they are in the doldrums, French rugby stumbles from crisis to crisis. Of course, it is rarely as simple as this, but that is the interpretation that the non-rugby media put on things.

As a consequence, coupled with the defeat of next weekend's opponents, South Africa, by their oldest enemy England, who won despite playing terrible rugby, the French rugby media are optimistic again. Frances prospects for wins against South Africa (10th), Argentina (17th) and Fiji (24th Nov) are looking and feeling very good.

Toulouse have only one forward in the current French Squad, Marchand, an all-action, 22 year-old hooker, who may bench in the selection against SA. However Toulouse also have in their pack Joe Tekori and Florian Verhaeghe in the second-row and the latter is included in next weekend's French Barbarians team versus Tonga. Add in seven backs selected in the French Squad for November and you start to understand the importance of the Club to the national rugby psyche.

From a Leinster perspective our support and prayers for next month should be targeted towards Wasps. If they could grab at least one victory against Toulouse in their back-to-back games, its just possible that Toulouse's Dec 22nd clash with Top14 leaders Clermont, may destract their focus on Europe.

Make no mistake, right now Toulouse and their media support, see no reason why they can't win their European Pool and emerge with a home quarter-final. They have convinced themselves that the majority of Leinster front-liners are focussed solely on Ireland's quest for a World Cup semi-final or final - and the French believe that dream is possible. They argue that Girvan Dempsey will have "spilled the beans" to his new employer Bath, about how to beat Leinster and they hope to come to Dublin to find a Leinster team with "their focus elsewhere".

All plausible, but don't think Leo and Stuart have that version of the script.

Not plausible at all. We'll gut them at the RDS after the boot up the arse. 20+ point margin of victory.

Thankfully, I don't think Lancullen will have that version of the script either. We seem to have approached the last game like that, we can't make the same mistake again. We might beat them well if things fall our way, but we should prepare for them to take it to us.
Their tails are up and they have a chip on their shoulder about us.

F^ck them and their begrudgier. if