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Re: New contracts for coaching ticket

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by jezzer

His job is to get the best out of the squad he has and i don't believe that's happening. Based on those comments on Wales Online i get the impression he's not very aligned with the coaching direction. That's ok if you're a constructive counterpoint to the groupthink, but there's a sulky whiff off McBryde. I'd have thought he'd be the kind of guy players would go to war for, but i think the reverse could be true. Just my interpretation of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing - zero inside knowledge.
The same. I wasn't blown away when he came in but now it seems he's either stale or has been found out. Would like a new person in with new ideas. Can anyone remember who was the scrum coach with Japan when Jones was in charge of them is?
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desperado wrote: June 14th, 2022, 10:48 pm Found Nathan Hines on Linkedin. Working with Gallagher insurance. He posted this 2 weeks ago (Leinster still in his blood)
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Based on his work in Connacht and subsequently with the U.20's Jimmy Duffy is the forwards coach who has wrought some of the best improvement in forwards scrum and maul in Provincial rugby in recent years. Doesn't have the stellar playing career at the top level like others such as Hines or Jeremy Davidson but he certainly produces the goods.

Certainly wouldn't mind him turning up in Leinster.
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Re: New contracts for coaching ticket

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sunshiner1 wrote: June 15th, 2022, 6:06 am
by jezzer

His job is to get the best out of the squad he has and i don't believe that's happening. Based on those comments on Wales Online i get the impression he's not very aligned with the coaching direction. That's ok if you're a constructive counterpoint to the groupthink, but there's a sulky whiff off McBryde. I'd have thought he'd be the kind of guy players would go to war for, but i think the reverse could be true. Just my interpretation of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing - zero inside knowledge.
The same. I wasn't blown away when he came in but now it seems he's either stale or has been found out. Would like a new person in with new ideas. Can anyone remember who was the scrum coach with Japan when Jones was in charge of them is?
Think Steve Borthwick was the forwards coach while Eddie Jones was there.
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Re: New contracts for coaching ticket

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cormac wrote: June 15th, 2022, 8:33 am
sunshiner1 wrote: June 15th, 2022, 6:06 am
by jezzer

His job is to get the best out of the squad he has and i don't believe that's happening. Based on those comments on Wales Online i get the impression he's not very aligned with the coaching direction. That's ok if you're a constructive counterpoint to the groupthink, but there's a sulky whiff off McBryde. I'd have thought he'd be the kind of guy players would go to war for, but i think the reverse could be true. Just my interpretation of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing - zero inside knowledge.
The same. I wasn't blown away when he came in but now it seems he's either stale or has been found out. Would like a new person in with new ideas. Can anyone remember who was the scrum coach with Japan when Jones was in charge of them is?
Think Steve Borthwick was the forwards coach while Eddie Jones was there.
He was lineout. Scrum was Marc dal Maso.

There's a video of Eddie Jones talking about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsdEOzpMI9Q

And a video showing how much they improved under him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6z1rwo1aP8
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Re: New contracts for coaching ticket

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leinsterforever wrote: June 15th, 2022, 8:57 am
cormac wrote: June 15th, 2022, 8:33 am
sunshiner1 wrote: June 15th, 2022, 6:06 am

The same. I wasn't blown away when he came in but now it seems he's either stale or has been found out. Would like a new person in with new ideas. Can anyone remember who was the scrum coach with Japan when Jones was in charge of them is?
Think Steve Borthwick was the forwards coach while Eddie Jones was there.
He was lineout. Scrum was Marc dal Maso.

There's a video of Eddie Jones talking about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsdEOzpMI9Q

And a video showing how much they improved under him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6z1rwo1aP8
Jesus where is he now and how quickly can we sign him up! 😂
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sunshiner1 wrote: June 15th, 2022, 6:06 am
by jezzer

His job is to get the best out of the squad he has and i don't believe that's happening. Based on those comments on Wales Online i get the impression he's not very aligned with the coaching direction. That's ok if you're a constructive counterpoint to the groupthink, but there's a sulky whiff off McBryde. I'd have thought he'd be the kind of guy players would go to war for, but i think the reverse could be true. Just my interpretation of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing - zero inside knowledge.
The same. I wasn't blown away when he came in but now it seems he's either stale or has been found out. Would like a new person in with new ideas. Can anyone remember who was the scrum coach with Japan when Jones was in charge of them is?
I raised the question here a few weeks/months ago because some wum Welsh journalist was claiming he was the secret to Leinster’s success.

I think it’s fair to say that we have regressed in all areas of forward play, apart from maybe the ruck (which is not really forward coaching domain or forward play, per se).

The scrum has definitely regressed while he has been here, but there are mitigating factors: changed personnel being key. At best, his record in overseeing the transition in our scrum is mixed.
Is he responsible for any other aspects of forward coaching? Because we have regressed everywhere, so if he isn’t, then replacing him won’t be a silver bullet.
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https://www.unitedrugby.com/statistics

Munster have statistically the 2nd best scrum but were joint 13th on scrum penalties won, i.e. next to dead last.

There are anomalies for lineout too. Those stats are worthless.
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Re: New contracts for coaching ticket

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curates_egg wrote: June 15th, 2022, 12:02 pm
sunshiner1 wrote: June 15th, 2022, 6:06 am
by jezzer

His job is to get the best out of the squad he has and i don't believe that's happening. Based on those comments on Wales Online i get the impression he's not very aligned with the coaching direction. That's ok if you're a constructive counterpoint to the groupthink, but there's a sulky whiff off McBryde. I'd have thought he'd be the kind of guy players would go to war for, but i think the reverse could be true. Just my interpretation of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing - zero inside knowledge.
The same. I wasn't blown away when he came in but now it seems he's either stale or has been found out. Would like a new person in with new ideas. Can anyone remember who was the scrum coach with Japan when Jones was in charge of them is?
I raised the question here a few weeks/months ago because some wum Welsh journalist was claiming he was the secret to Leinster’s success.

I think it’s fair to say that we have regressed in all areas of forward play, apart from maybe the ruck (which is not really forward coaching domain or forward play, per se).

The scrum has definitely regressed while he has been here, but there are mitigating factors: changed personnel being key. At best, his record in overseeing the transition in our scrum is mixed.
Is he responsible for any other aspects of forward coaching? Because we have regressed everywhere, so if he isn’t, then replacing him won’t be a silver bullet.
Well from what the players were saying prior to leamy being signed up to go back to Munster, that he was the main reason our rucks have been so good and that leamy did a huge amount of work with the team on perfecting that
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David Havili of the Crusaders speaking very well of Andrew Goodman after their final this morning. Said he was one of the best coaches he's ever had. Good to hear. He's coming from a winning environment too. That can't be bad.
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Havili was emotional about Goodman’s departure, serious endorsement.
I wonder what role he’ll fill and am interested in the general dynamics of the coaching team for next year. The big change would be if Leo moves upstairs to replace Dawson. Presume Lancaster would become head coach which would see further changes to the ticket
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The progress of Kelleher, Sheehan, Boyle, Ed Byrne and McKee during McBryde's tenure can't be ignored. However, based on performances for Leinster, as opposed to Ireland, Furlong and Porter have stalled this year, or maybe we're not using them properly. Without adequate power coming through from the second and back row, even the highest quality front-rows can't be dominant in scrums or mauls.

As scrum and maul technique becomes more technical, there is a levelling down to physicality. Watching Crusaders & Blues this morning, the scrums were genuinely used as restarts with both No 8's able to pick any ball they wanted. The mauls were much more a contest of which pack wanted to choose to attack their opponents at front or back. There was also a considerable number of mid-field line-out throws, particularly by the Blues as their line-out was put under pressure.

Overall, The Leinster scrum has not impressed me in important games this year, but our maul has. However, I think that our use of maul and line-out variations has been stale and generally poor, in big games. We're too predictable and we rarely surprise opponents.
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