janeymac08 wrote:
You might, and then again you might not. So far this season Munster have given away 32 penalties & 0 Yellow cards (only team in the Pro12 not have gotten a YC so far which isn't bad considering we played the Ospreys which usually entails a red or two).
Leinster have conceeded 36 penalties and 1 yellow card.
I'm not too sure your plan for playing for penalties is a banker.
Gopperth was absolute dog sh!t, really needs a spell on the pine at this stage, but unlikely to get it.
Second half was brighter. Two Byrnes in particular looked excellent.
We really need our physios to do some serious work in the next two weeks, crazy injury list.
In terms of the elephant in the room, the usual knee jerk stuff will happen, and we were rudderless certainly, but there's also a combination of factors which contributed to that, not just our coach.
wixfjord wrote:Gopperth was absolute dog sh!t, really needs a spell on the pine at this stage, but unlikely to get it.
Second half was brighter. Two Byrnes in particular looked excellent.
We really need our physios to do some serious work in the next two weeks, crazy injury list.
In terms of the elephant in the room, the usual knee jerk stuff will happen, and we were rudderless certainly, but there's also a combination of factors which contributed to that, not just our coach.
i agree with the comment on Gopperth, but the problem is who do you replace him with? what the hell has happened to madigans form from last year, if this was the first time you saw madigan play, based only on the 5 games so far this season would we be screaming for him to get the 10 shirt?
wixfjord wrote:Gopperth was absolute dog sh!t, really needs a spell on the pine at this stage, but unlikely to get it.
Second half was brighter. Two Byrnes in particular looked excellent.
We really need our physios to do some serious work in the next two weeks, crazy injury list.
In terms of the elephant in the room, the usual knee jerk stuff will happen, and we were rudderless certainly, but there's also a combination of factors which contributed to that, not just our coach.
i agree with the comment on Gopperth, but the problem is who do you replace him with? what the hell has happened to madigans form from last year, if this was the first time you saw madigan play, based only on the 5 games so far this season would we be screaming for him to get the 10 shirt?
Well that's it really, Madigan wasn't exactly pulling up trees either, and we'll likely need him further out, so we're probably stuck with JG.
Could end up with Fanning and McGrath both in the 22 for Europe at this rate.
A lot of people dancing around the issues here, put aside the ref and our 10. We were beaten and beaten badly up front, their back or store us apart, their physicality was too much. Cronin, casey, o'donnell and cj were making easy yards all day. We have problems that go far beyond the coach or selection, we have obrien and Healy out until a after Christmas and have an tight head who can play 50mins max, our 2nd rows were cleaned out and with the exemption of ruddock we were overwhelmed in the backdown
TerenureJim wrote:Scrum is a bit of a lottery with the ref, breakdown too, Munster being allowed all over our ball we need to start bossing the collisions if it's not going to be reffed.
Ye the ref lets go with that! He is the reason we are getting hammered
Munster started off by messing up the kick off, having two players run into each other and one turned over by one of the smallest guys on the pitch, and with a pass to nobody near their own line which resulted in them dotting down and giving away the scrum.....and yet they hockeyed us. Not only that, but they had 4 (think it was 4) players carded and we didn't even get a losing bonus point. I'm appalled by that performance.
We brought zero physicality to the game. We're playing one of our biggest rivals in the Aviva, and barely show up in contact.
The breakdown was unbelievably bad. How many turnovers did we concede? That ties in with the physicality to an extent because we rarely fought for extra yards or to present the ball well in contact but regardless of that, the lack of numbers we were putting in there was ridiculous. Then we started putting TOO many in....WHEN MUNSTER WERE DOWN TO 13!!! Jesus wept.
I was aghast when Jimmy kicked the ball away for a second time when they were down to 13, whatever about the first one, surely the message should have got on after that? As much as I think Munster were starting to creak and we had the numbers to run them ragged, if you ARE going to kick, should it not be out of play given that Munster had a hooker in the bin???
Lots of poor performances but tactically we were so inept that I almost don't care.
Munster did absolutely nothing special to win that. They did one thing that we didn't...turn up. Fair play to them for going back to basics and absolutely nailing that gameplan aside from that error ridden first few minutes though. It was really simple stuff but they committed to it and executed really well. Discipline obviously deserted them near the end but the game was won by that stage. POC and Murray were absolutely superb. A few other very good performances but they were absolutely world class. POC was particularly impressive when we were on top early on, seemed to be playing us on his own.
I can't believe we didn't adjust to how much joy they got around our ten channel. I said it a couple of days ago that we'd need to defend the fringes well because Munster would go back to that simple game but we were a total non entity. Whatever about messing that (and other things) up initially, why the f%#k didn't we react to it?
Disappointing to see Furlong go off so quickly. One huge scrum on our line showed how much talent he has and he cleared a ruck like nobody else on the team had managed to do. Hope Ferg isn't as bad as it looked at the time, very worried about that one.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Munster started off by messing up the kick off, having two players run into each other and one turned over by one of the smallest guys on the pitch, and with a pass to nobody near their own line which resulted in them dotting down and giving away the scrum.....and yet they hockeyed us. Not only that, but they had 4 (think it was 4) players carded and we didn't even get a losing bonus point. I'm appalled by that performance.
We brought zero physicality to the game. We're playing one of our biggest rivals in the Aviva, and barely show up in contact.
The breakdown was unbelievably bad. How many turnovers did we concede? That ties in with the physicality to an extent because we rarely fought for extra yards or to present the ball well in contact but regardless of that, the lack of numbers we were putting in there was ridiculous. Then we started putting TOO many in....WHEN MUNSTER WERE DOWN TO 13!!! Jesus wept.
I was aghast when Jimmy kicked the ball away for a second time when they were down to 13, whatever about the first one, surely the message should have got on after that? As much as I think Munster were starting to creak and we had the numbers to run them ragged, if you ARE going to kick, should it not be out of play given that Munster had a hooker in the bin???
Lots of poor performances but tactically we were so inept that I almost don't care.
Munster did absolutely nothing special to win that. They did one thing that we didn't...turn up. Fair play to them for going back to basics and absolutely nailing that gameplan aside from that error ridden first few minutes though. It was really simple stuff but they committed to it and executed really well. Discipline obviously deserted them near the end but the game was won by that stage. POC and Murray were absolutely superb. A few other very good performances but they were absolutely world class. POC was particularly impressive when we were on top early on, seemed to be playing us on his own.
I can't believe we didn't adjust to how much joy they got around our ten channel. I said it a couple of days ago that we'd need to defend the fringes well because Munster would go back to that simple game but we were a total non entity. Whatever about messing that (and other things) up initially, why the f%#k didn't we react to it?
Disappointing to see Furlong go off so quickly. One huge scrum on our line showed how much talent he has and he cleared a ruck like nobody else on the team had managed to do. Hope Ferg isn't as bad as it looked at the time, very worried about that one.
Say's more about Leinster really. We thought we would need something special to win it. We also though we would need 15 players on for 80 mins. Who would of thought hey?
wixfjord wrote:Gopperth was absolute dog sh!t, really needs a spell on the pine at this stage, but unlikely to get it.
Second half was brighter. Two Byrnes in particular looked excellent.
We really need our physios to do some serious work in the next two weeks, crazy injury list.
In terms of the elephant in the room, the usual knee jerk stuff will happen, and we were rudderless certainly, but there's also a combination of factors which contributed to that, not just our coach.
Gotta agree with this,a 10-any 10 to give us Field position both this week and last
When the pressure was on would have made a vital difference.
cormac wrote:Whatever about the appointment of Foley, who at least has built up some decent coaching experience, then bringing in the likes of Mick O'Driscoll, Jerry Flannery et al. doesn't look like it's working.
