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Re: Michael Bent

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backrower8 wrote:Unfortunately Benty had another inglorious outing yesterday evening - under pressure and coughed up a peno
Yes- but once again he had Denton behind him in the row at that stage. I thought he looked okay in the tight and good in the loose too.
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artaneboy wrote:
backrower8 wrote:Unfortunately Benty had another inglorious outing yesterday evening - under pressure and coughed up a peno
Yes- but once again he had Denton behind him in the row at that stage. I thought he looked okay in the tight and good in the loose too.
Not for the first scrum or two, Denton made little difference.
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FLIP wrote:
artaneboy wrote:
backrower8 wrote:Unfortunately Benty had another inglorious outing yesterday evening - under pressure and coughed up a peno
Yes- but once again he had Denton behind him in the row at that stage. I thought he looked okay in the tight and good in the loose too.
Not for the first scrum or two, Denton made little difference.
Denton came on in the 64th min, Bent in the 71st.
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cormac wrote:
FLIP wrote: Not for the first scrum or two, Denton made little difference.
Denton came on in the 64th min, Bent in the 71st.
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artaneboy wrote:
backrower8 wrote:Unfortunately Benty had another inglorious outing yesterday evening - under pressure and coughed up a peno
Yes- but once again he had Denton behind him in the row at that stage. I thought he looked okay in the tight and good in the loose too.
He has now had every second row possible behind him as an excuse lads. The reality is he is not a good scrummager...yet. Of the penalties he has given up, a few of them have had nothing to do with 2nd row but initial contact.

Lets hope (a) he becomes a good scrummager under Feek and (b) until then, Ross stays fits for all the important games. Definitely share the other feeling in the thread that it is a big shame we were forced to let White go.

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Re: Michael Bent

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Think bent has been under a lot of pressure to be of international standard the minute he arrived from NPC
best thing for him is play Rabo regularly, Fitzpatrick warms bench for 6n and Bent can develop at his own rate/less pressurised environemnt
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Darce wrote:
cormac wrote:
FLIP wrote: Not for the first scrum or two, Denton made little difference.
Denton came on in the 64th min, Bent in the 71st.
Oh snap!
Fair enough, my recollection of the substitution was wrong, but Ross had no problems with Denton behind him.
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Re: Michael Bent

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It's strange considering how impressive he was when coming on against SA in November, since then he's been underwhelming.

Having said that, I do feel that we often except to much of players like Bent. He was signed after an impressive cameo in the ITM, however I believe there is a misconception in comparing that tournament to the H-Cup and even to a certain extent the Rabo. At the moment we have larger, more long term issues at second row and centre. We can't afford to be throwing cash around signing slightly better back up tightheads.

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I think Bent will be fine. I'll make my mind up once we get a tighthead lock behind him that can scrummage.

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I'm not giving up on Bent by any means but he reminds me a lot of Bryan Young and I don't mean that in a good way.

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I think he's as poor as Stanley Wright...
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As the old bull said to the young bull - Let's take our time about this.
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blockhead wrote:There once was an ugly duckling...........
Yes- he has officially arrived as a competitor for that jersey now. Even in the loose he was very good. Delighted for him- took a lot of stick- even after he started to visibly improve.
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Fair play to him. He obviously is pretty strong mentally to take all the stick he took from his own fans, not let it affect his work ethic and confidence etc. He got the head down and worked his socks off and now I can honestly say I would trust him 100% at loosehead in any game. Well done Bent.

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Stuka wrote:
Fair play to him. He obviously is pretty strong mentally to take all the stick he took from his own fans, not let it affect his work ethic and confidence etc. He got the head down and worked his socks off and now I can honestly say I would trust him 100% at loosehead in any game. Well done Bent.
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he got away with a fair bit in the scrum, driving in as when he doesnt his back is nowhere near straight enough, but someone above is wright, he is the new stan
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It is difficult now to believe that one man could have riled so many people in the Irish rugby community.

Michael Bent had only come to Ireland because his old Taranaki buddy Greg Feek suggested Leinster might have a hole that could be filled on a regular basis.

Feek knew Bent was carrying an Irish passport but he was more concerned with the 120kg or so of weight he would freight north.

That was April 2012; Ireland was still gripped by Twickenham Terror; when Mike Ross had lurched from the sodden English turf and Ireland's scrum had concertinaed like an unfinished jelly.

A few months later, Bent got the phone call that would transform his life. Declan Kidney drafted him into an Ireland squad that, along with much of the public, was already losing their faith in the Grand Slam-winning coach; the Corkman would be gone sooner rather than later.

Many wanted Bent to be tossed out too. The Irish public first saw him on the sports pages of the newspapers awkwardly hacking a sliotar around Carton House; Irish legends choked on their Cornflakes.

It was the worst-staged Paddywhackery since the '200 years of Irish Cops' float featured in the Simpsons; if you don't recall, the cops proceeded to beat up the crowd (we won't mention the 'The Drunken Irish Novelists of Springfield').

Fumed

Keith Wood fumed. "How in the name of Jesus are we getting to the point where a guy flies into the country and he will play for Ireland?" he asked.

Bent made his debut; performed more than adequately against South Africa and then sang 'Danny Boy' on the team bus. By the end of the season though, he was marooned on Leinster's B&I team.

Despite his unwitting involvement in the kitsch unveiling that leaned heavily on 'the craic', Bent remained committed to Leinster and his Irish roots.

However, most of the Irish rugby community, so conveniently, didn't take long to divorce him from their thoughts.

Leinster have remained loyal; in a side devoid of Cian Healy and Jack McGrath, he has demonstrated his growing versatility by starring on the loosehead side against a formidable Castres front-row.

In truth, he has been one of their best performers this term, as glowingly confirmed by Matt O'Connor following the province's best scrummaging display of the season, away to Cardiff a fortnight ago.

"He has done a fantastic job for us," says the Australian. "He played a lot of rugby for us in my first season last year in really big games for us when the international lads were away.

"Without his efforts, I can guarantee you we wouldn't have finished top of the league.

"He is invaluable in the group. Again, this year, with front-rowers injured, he plays both sides, he's played a lot of 80 minutes for us. He's done a fantastic job for us.

"He will be very, very important for us as we plot our path to the Champions Cup quarter-finals."

More than two years on from being repeatedly ridiculed by so many former professionals and pundits, Bent seems at ease but the criticism still stings.

"It was pretty tough initially," says the man who has succeeded in seeking equilibrium in both the scrum and in life.

"I blocked a lot of it out for the most part. I knew that I'd come over here to just focus on what I was doing and not worry too much about everything else that was going on around me.

"I tried to do as best as I could and still now, it is just a matter of focusing on what I am doing and keep showing I can improve myself. I am feeling happy with what I am doing and how things are going.

"I had to look at my performance from where I was going. I started off well and perhaps fell off a wee bit.

"Then there were a couple of injuries last season that made it quite tough to get back into things, to build it back up.

"I have been constantly talking to the coaches about what it is they want from me and just working on those key areas and I am pretty happy with that at the moment.

"The criticism I got affected my confidence. As far as the scrum goes, initially things started to not go too well and I tried to change too many things."

Chiefly, Bent had been used to a style of scrummaging in New Zealand's domestic competition which effectively limited the set-piece to its once traditional role of merely restarting the game.

In the northern hemisphere, though, he struggled to adapt to the often more tactical nuances of the push, particularly before the change in laws, whereby teams contested lengthily at scrum time in order to eke out penalties or significant yardage from a strong shove.

"I was trying to sort something out and I was over-correcting, and then something else would slip," he recalls.

"So this season in particular has been quite good, I just tried to clear my head and focus on the basics and it seems to have to work quite well for me.

"I never felt it was a mistake coming here. I've really enjoyed my time here so far and I'd like to think I'll continue to play here for a few years to come.

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"So I feel quite at home here, I've met up with distant relatives I have here and have a good network here. I'm quite happy.

"I know there are people that have bad opinions and there are other people who are very supportive but I haven't really dwelled on that sort of thing too much."

He doesn't like to easily concede that he prefers the loosehead side but it is obvious that he is revelling there.

"I do enjoy both," he says. "I did prefer tight but it feels good on both sides and I can go either side really.

"There are good points and bad points to both sides but, yeah, I am happy to go either side really. There are things I enjoy about both sides.

"My form at the moment is good. When the set-piece is going well throughout the game it gives you confidence.

"If you can get that sorted out early on then yes, you have the confidence to go out and really put a lot of energy into the other aspects of the game.

"Versatility is quite a handy thing to have. I know if you've got an injury, it can go down anywhere so it's handy to have a guy that knows the details and can go either."

He even eyes a World Cup; "Yeah, it's in my sights like the Champions Cup with Leinster. Why not?"

Irish rugby may be a tad more welcoming then.
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Re: Michael Bent

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Plenty online have been willing to eat humble pie over the past season.
Maybe it's time some of those pundits (like Wood), who were very publicly slagging him off, did so too.

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curates_egg wrote:Plenty online have been willing to eat humble pie over the past season.
Maybe it's time some of those pundits (like Wood), who were very publicly slagging him off, did so too.
While a few were slagging him off from what I remember of Woods comments they were all about how it was ridiculous that he went straight into the Irish side without ever having played for Leinster. I don't remember him having a go at Bent himself, just the situation. I'd be in complete agreement with him on that one tbh. It was utterly crazy to get a guy off the plane and into a green jersey the way we did. And ultimately it shone a spotlight on Bent, who really didn't need or deserve it. Plenty of others then jumped on the bandwagon and started knocking the guy. It was never his fault.

It is good to see positive articles about him now though. He does deserve that.

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