A whiff of Cordite

[Dave Cahill]

They’re giving huge amounts of air/podcast time to women’s six nations but seems to cut into the usual time they have for rugby

Is the women's six nations table tennis then?

[Serb]

You’re doing Barry dirty there attributing the quote to him, it was TerenureJim.

[Dave Cahill]

You’re doing Barry dirty there attributing the quote to him, it was TerenureJim.

You're right, thanks for that. Corrected, sorry Barry!

[bluemagic]

Anyone else listen to Wednesday night rugby on Newstalk? Bizarrely short on build up to a champions cup weekend even mentioning there being zero buzz about the inter pro element despite then being corrected that it is a sell out. They’re giving huge amounts of air/podcast time to women’s six nations but seems to cut into the usual time they have for rugby, seems a shame they can’t grow both.

They give an insane amount of time to women’s rugby given the level of interest in it. Given up listening to OTB because it’s annoying skipping half a podcast every time they upload

[jezzer]

Anyone else listen to Wednesday night rugby on Newstalk? Bizarrely short on build up to a champions cup weekend even mentioning there being zero buzz about the inter pro element despite then being corrected that it is a sell out. They’re giving huge amounts of air/podcast time to women’s six nations but seems to cut into the usual time they have for rugby, seems a shame they can’t grow both.

They give an insane amount of time to women’s rugby given the level of interest in it. Given up listening to OTB because it’s annoying skipping half a podcast every time they upload

They have to.

[TerenureJim]

They’re giving huge amounts of air/podcast time to women’s six nations but seems to cut into the usual time they have for rugby

Is the women's six nations table tennis then?

No but I don’t hear/see them doing similar for soccer, football, hurling/camogie and they give zero coverage to AIL.

[SoupyNorman]

Ger Gilroy not having a notion on OTB AM. Saying hopefully now Leinster can sell out the Aviva again against Leicester (and I don't think he means just the tiers that are open).

Seemed to be some live texts in complaining not enough Leinster coverage compared to others. Says sure they have all the rest of the season to talk about Leinster.
I believe that when I hear it..

[Oldschoolsocks]

Ger Gilroy not having a notion on OTB AM. Saying hopefully now Leinster can sell out the Aviva again against Leicester (and I don't think he means just the tiers that are open).

Seemed to be some live texts in complaining not enough Leinster coverage compared to others. Says sure they have all the rest of the season to talk about Leinster.
I believe that when I hear it..

Couldn't be arsed listening to them anymore - I just assume that over 40% of any show will be about Munster and how they're gonna reclaim their glory days. I don't mind that in itself, but my life is now too busy to watch all four provinces of a weekend so I'd actually like to have some insight for all four provinces spoon-fed to me by someone to keep me up to speed, and for that we really need an equal(ish) amount of time spent on each provinces.

simples

[wixfjord]

The 42 podcast today is worth listening to, if only to hear the most obvious 'my mate is a coach and wants this message out in the media' example I've heard for years.

Lots of praise for Leinster etc, but the big talking point was Berch hammering home the point that Munster's coaches can only do so much and need big NIQ front row signings to compete.

Very little actual analysis of where Munster lost that game, which had little to do with the front row.

All about putting pressure on the IRFU to sing guys.

Now, without getting into conspiracy theories, who exactly do you think might have been texting Berch yesterday and asking him to sow that seed? What Munster coach has he constantly praised and defended?

He's a habit of doing this (using media to sow seeds that benefit him or his mates/players), and while he's a great analyst, it's so transparent and shreds your credibility.

[riocard911]

The 42 podcast today is worth listening to, if only to hear the most obvious 'my mate is a coach and wants this message out in the media' example I've heard for years.

Lots of praise for Leinster etc, but the big talking point was Berch hammering home the point that Munster's coaches can only do so much and need big NIQ front row signings to compete.

Very little actual analysis of where Munster lost that game, which had little to do with the front row.

Now, without getting into conspiracy theories, who exactly do you think might have been texting Berch yesterday and asking him to sow that seed? What Munster coach has he constantly praised and defended?

He's a habit of doing this (using media to sow seeds that benefit him or his mates/players), and while he's a great analyst, it's so transparent and shreds your credibility.

Well spotted!

[wixfjord]

I really rail against provincial point scoring usually.

But I'll make an exception here.

If Munster hadn't spunked a load of budget on re-signing a guy who clearly doesn't have the desire to be a pro rugby player (Zebo), a guy who unfortunately has been injured for 90% of his time here (Snyman), a former All Black who never fitted the game plan and has looked out of sorts since the moment he landed (Fekitoa) and wasting money on guys like Archer, Oli Morris, Chris Moore then maybe they'd have the budget to go after a real big name front rower AND kept John Ryan.

Why should the IRFU give even more money to a club that clearly has been so badly run for years?

[FtD]

Yeah, it's not that long ago he was talking up Lucas Berti Newman as the next BOD, without ever disclosing that he was good mates with and worked with the kid's father. He is notorious for it.

As bad as the days as when Frankie Sheahan used to do co-comms back in the day, while double jobbing as a rugby agent, and regardless of performance one of Frankie's clients was invariably MoTM.

[riocard911]

I really rail against provincial point scoring usually.

But I'll make an exception here.

If Munster hadn't spunked a load of budget on re-signing a guy who clearly doesn't have the desire to be a pro rugby player (Zebo), a guy who unfortunately has been injured for 90% of his time here (Snyman), a former All Black who never fitted the game plan and has looked out of sorts since the moment he landed (Fekitoa) and wasting money on guys like Archer, Oli Morris, Chris Moore then maybe they'd have the budget to go after a real big name front rower AND kept John Ryan.

Why should the IRFU give even more money to a club that clearly has been so badly run for years?

Don't forget letting James Cronin go too. He's Munster through and through!!

[mildlyinterested]

Jordi Murphy retiring.

[blockhead]

I really rail against provincial point scoring usually.

But I'll make an exception here.

If Munster hadn't spunked a load of budget on re-signing a guy who clearly doesn't have the desire to be a pro rugby player (Zebo), a guy who unfortunately has been injured for 90% of his time here (Snyman), a former All Black who never fitted the game plan and has looked out of sorts since the moment he landed (Fekitoa) and wasting money on guys like Archer, Oli Morris, Chris Moore then maybe they'd have the budget to go after a real big name front rower AND kept John Ryan.

Why should the IRFU give even more money to a club that clearly has been so badly run for years?

Don't forget letting James Cronin go too. He's Munster through and through!!

If Munster hadn't spunked a load of budget on re-signing a guy who clearly doesn't have the desire to be a pro rugby player (Zebo),

Didn't the IRFU co fund his signing? Around the same time they were offering Van gran another contract?

[wixfjord]

On a related point, interesting to hear Thornley today talk about Munster.
Says he has it on good authority that Munster made a lowball offer to keep John Ryan and were outbid Chiefs.
Also says that the dogs on the street know Munster are losing money and so will find it hard to bring in anyone of significance due to this.

Hopefully all of that Musgrave/Thomond concert money makes up for the shortfall.

[blockhead]

The 4 provinces probably do the prudent thing and budget their finances around the regular season games (9+2). Home knockout games treated as welcome bonus's. Leinster and to a regular enough extent Munster have become accustomed to getting a home QFs in Europe and a League knockout games too.
Munster didn't get one this year which would have been the clubs No.1 target (financially speaking) at the start of the season. 26K paying top dollar would have put have eased money worries.
They may well have played their last home game of the season in March against Glasgow.

[hugonaut]

On a related point, interesting to hear Thornley today talk about Munster.
Says he has it on good authority that Munster made a lowball offer to keep John Ryan and were outbid Chiefs.
Also says that the dogs on the street know Munster are losing money and so will find it hard to bring in anyone of significance due to this.

Hopefully all of that Musgrave/Thomond concert money makes up for the shortfall.

I remember thinking when Ryan first left that he must have wanted to leave. Then this interview came out [here: https://www.the42.ie/john-ryan-munster-5799113-Jun2022/ ] and I found out that they cut him. Bonkers.

[Dexter]

So they basically cut Cronin and Ryan and now there's calls to sign some big names NIQs?
That's nuts.

[paddyor]

The 42 podcast today is worth listening to, if only to hear the most obvious 'my mate is a coach and wants this message out in the media' example I've heard for years.

Lots of praise for Leinster etc, but the big talking point was Berch hammering home the point that Munster's coaches can only do so much and need big NIQ front row signings to compete.

Very little actual analysis of where Munster lost that game, which had little to do with the front row.

All about putting pressure on the IRFU to sing guys.

Now, without getting into conspiracy theories, who exactly do you think might have been texting Berch yesterday and asking him to sow that seed? What Munster coach has he constantly praised and defended?

He's a habit of doing this (using media to sow seeds that benefit him or his mates/players), and while he's a great analyst, it's so transparent and shreds your credibility.

Is he right though? The NIQ framework was about building depth for Ireland and IMO it’s worked, we have depth now. Given most of it comes from Leinster there’s maybe scope to loosen up the restrictions for the other provinces. It’s a better idea than cannibalising Leinster to try and prop up the other 3 IMO. TBC, I’m not saying scrap it just think if there’s little ROI in terms of players from Munster(front row) for team Ireland then is it really worth sticking to it so strictly?

And Munster have tried to keep it IQ, they signed Knox as a teenager and salanoa on the TH side and brought in loughman on the LH side. Had a few bad injuries at hooker and well as a kiwi project.