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Dexter wrote: December 9th, 2020, 11:18 am Just properly policing the offside line would be a great start. It's gone beyond a joke now.
Of course it would nullify the effectiveness of some teams (e.g. England, Saracens) but it has to be done.
I'm not really seeing this offside epidemic everyone keeps talking about. I think a lot of people confuse linespeed for offside, to be honest. Take Itoje's intervention off Luke McGrath's delayed pass in the recent quarter final, for example. Instinctively you think he has to be offside, but watching it back it's just incredibly good timing.
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leinsterforever wrote: December 9th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Dexter wrote: December 9th, 2020, 11:18 am Just properly policing the offside line would be a great start. It's gone beyond a joke now.
Of course it would nullify the effectiveness of some teams (e.g. England, Saracens) but it has to be done.
I'm not really seeing this offside epidemic everyone keeps talking about. I think a lot of people confuse linespeed for offside, to be honest. Take Itoje's intervention off Luke McGrath's delayed pass in the recent quarter final, for example. Instinctively you think he has to be offside, but watching it back it's just incredibly good timing.
Everyone is offside all the time, especially against Leinster. Leinster are, of course, never offside.
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Dave Cahill wrote:
leinsterforever wrote: December 9th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Dexter wrote: December 9th, 2020, 11:18 am Just properly policing the offside line would be a great start. It's gone beyond a joke now.
Of course it would nullify the effectiveness of some teams (e.g. England, Saracens) but it has to be done.
I'm not really seeing this offside epidemic everyone keeps talking about. I think a lot of people confuse linespeed for offside, to be honest. Take Itoje's intervention off Luke McGrath's delayed pass in the recent quarter final, for example. Instinctively you think he has to be offside, but watching it back it's just incredibly good timing.
Everyone is offside all the time, especially against Leinster. Leinster are, of course, never offside.
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leinsterforever wrote: December 9th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Dexter wrote: December 9th, 2020, 11:18 am Just properly policing the offside line would be a great start. It's gone beyond a joke now.
Of course it would nullify the effectiveness of some teams (e.g. England, Saracens) but it has to be done.
I'm not really seeing this offside epidemic everyone keeps talking about. I think a lot of people confuse linespeed for offside, to be honest. Take Itoje's intervention off Luke McGrath's delayed pass in the recent quarter final, for example. Instinctively you think he has to be offside, but watching it back it's just incredibly good timing.
I saw it as incredibly bad timing from Luke. And desparate decision making and alertness. That state of being switched on and alert is a huge difference between a top international and someone who isn't. It's what Stockdale lacks more than anything else. Compare his play to Earls who makes the best of what he has. It's striking. I saw earls having to slap Cupe out of the way to tidy up last week as Cubes head was somewhere else.
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mildlyinterested wrote: December 10th, 2020, 8:20 am jesus luke fitz podcast is basically unlistenable.
Because?

All of it, parts of it, just Luke, all of them?

I have just listened to it. Nothing is perfect, but had no issues. Luke’s Blue-tinted glasses the only slightly jarring moments. He was excellent on Argentinian racism for me.
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can't listen to his moaning about frawley playing 12 and ROC's constant negativity about the league and leinster.

but hey that's just me.
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mildlyinterested wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:08 am can't listen to his moaning about frawley playing 12 and ROC's constant negativity about the league and leinster.

but hey that's just me.
I gave up on that podcast a long time ago. The pair of them give me a pain - and not just for the above mentioned reasons. Luke is a terrible listener, who loves the sound of his own voice. Plus they think they're really funny - which they're not...
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mildlyinterested wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:08 am can't listen to his moaning about frawley playing 12 and ROC's constant negativity about the league and leinster.

but hey that's just me.
I haven't listened to it in quite a while.

I'm not as down on Luke as a lot of people seem to be – I don't agree with him very often, but I think that he always acts in good faith, and if his opinions don't chime with general consensus, it's not that he is going out of his way to be a contrarian, it's just that he has a sort of baked-in confidence that he's right. When I listened to him, my favourite parts were when he was talking about backline play, and especially technical and positional play. The guy really knows his stuff and he's a good, brisk communicator.

Murray Kinsella and Birch's podcast is good, and Gavan Casey is an an obviously nice fella ... but Jesus Christ man, get the questions out! Ask a f*cking question without putting in six sub-clauses and three apologia and turning it into a f*cking moebius strip.
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I like the42 rugby podcast too, but our very own trio infernale of John, Dave and Jason from Blues Talk TV top the bill for me!!!
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riocard911 wrote: December 10th, 2020, 12:54 pm I like the42 rugby podcast too, but our very own trio infernale of John, Dave and Jason from Blues Talk TV top the bill for me!!!
I'm very fond of the output from Mr. D Mole of this parish - though it is sparodic
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hugonaut wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:24 am
mildlyinterested wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:08 am can't listen to his moaning about frawley playing 12 and ROC's constant negativity about the league and leinster.

but hey that's just me.
I haven't listened to it in quite a while.

I'm not as down on Luke as a lot of people seem to be – I don't agree with him very often, but I think that he always acts in good faith, and if his opinions don't chime with general consensus, it's not that he is going out of his way to be a contrarian, it's just that he has a sort of baked-in confidence that he's right. When I listened to him, my favourite parts were when he was talking about backline play, and especially technical and positional play. The guy really knows his stuff and he's a good, brisk communicator.

Murray Kinsella and Birch's podcast is good, and Gavan Casey is an an obviously nice fella ... but Jesus Christ man, get the questions out! Ask a f*cking question without putting in six sub-clauses and three apologia and turning it into a f*cking moebius strip.
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hugonaut wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:24 am Murray Kinsella and Birch's podcast is good, and Gavan Casey is an an obviously nice fella ... but Jesus Christ man, get the questions out! Ask a f*cking question without putting in six sub-clauses and three apologia and turning it into a f*cking moebius strip.
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hugonaut wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:24 am Gavan Casey is an an obviously nice fella ... but Jesus Christ man, get the questions out! Ask a f*cking question without putting in six sub-clauses and three apologia and turning it into a f*cking moebius strip.
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Just thinking that listening to today's podcast. :lol:
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Dave Cahill wrote: December 9th, 2020, 6:18 pm
leinsterforever wrote: December 9th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Dexter wrote: December 9th, 2020, 11:18 am Just properly policing the offside line would be a great start. It's gone beyond a joke now.
Of course it would nullify the effectiveness of some teams (e.g. England, Saracens) but it has to be done.
I'm not really seeing this offside epidemic everyone keeps talking about. I think a lot of people confuse linespeed for offside, to be honest. Take Itoje's intervention off Luke McGrath's delayed pass in the recent quarter final, for example. Instinctively you think he has to be offside, but watching it back it's just incredibly good timing.
Everyone is offside all the time, especially against Leinster. Leinster are, of course, never offside.
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Funny how we've gone from sponsors telling the IRFU to ditch players to avoid tainting the brand to journalists ditching the sponsor's name...

https://www.the42.ie/ulster-toulouse-5295391-Dec2020/
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fourthirtythree wrote: December 10th, 2020, 9:20 pm Funny how we've gone from sponsors telling the IRFU to ditch players to avoid tainting the brand to journalists ditching the sponsor's name...

https://www.the42.ie/ulster-toulouse-5295391-Dec2020/
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An ex-manager of an insulation maker whose product was used on Grenfell Tower has apologised for dismissing fire safety concerns and threatening legal action in internal emails.

Philip Heath, who works for Kingspan, forwarded a customer's fire test query and wrote that they were "getting me confused with someone who gives a dam".

Mr Heath admitted his reaction was "unprofessional".

The inquiry heard last week the firm "stretched the truth" on fire safety.

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A Kingspan employee said it was "getting tricky what to write" without "putting ourselves in a legal situation".

In an internal email, Mr Heath responded using strong language: "Wintech can go f'#ck themselves, and if they are not careful we'll sue the a'#se of them".

Inquiry lawyer Kate Grange QC challenged Mr Heath on his comment, saying: "Can you explain why you wrote that, given Wintech were giving entirely accurate advice to their customers?"

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He was asked if it reflected a "culture" within Kingspan "in terms of its response to these kinds of requests".

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The journalist left the sponsor's name out in the report. Trimble in the piece was talking about his playing days and correct. I would be surprised if it was a mistake in the Journal rather than a choice.

Do ethics clauses work both way in sponsorship deals? I don't know.
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riocard911 wrote: December 10th, 2020, 12:54 pm I like the42 rugby podcast too, but our very own trio infernale of John, Dave and Jason from Blues Talk TV top the bill for me!!!
Me too but I think it's time for them to cop to their line of funding from Cardiff Blues
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ ... -1.4442187

How does the IT Sports Editor allow their resident rugby clown licence to write such rubbish? Irish rugby has three genuine pillars upon which it stands, and Cummiskey plays the smarta#@e when he conflats them with three of the biggest challenges our game faces.

He hates the game or writes as if he does. He deserves no respect and little attention.
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