TimD wrote:
I think a lot of the Quins season ticket holders were upset by the way they were treated by the club though before the match. I heard that some of them didn't get their normal seats as the club decided to move them and sold their existing seats.
Clearly, if you were an annoyed STH the way to get back at the club wouldn't be to sell your existing ticket but I think blame is probably on both sides.
It is dangerous territory for the club to be blaming fans I feel. Especially if you have annoyed your core season ticket holders already.
Thats not what happened though, and what did happen was explained to them in advance. Quins had to move some supporters as under ERC regulations they are obliged to offer a percentage of all price categories of seats to the visiting club.
Ah I didn't know that. There I was believing what I read on the Internet. Wait a minute...
No but seriously that sounds more accurate. The bits that I read were very much stating the club sold them out for corporate greed which doesn't make much sense considering they kept it at the Stoop
Are Harlequins over egging this? They lost, get over it!
True, but would love to see if the shoe was on the other foot how some munster supporters(the ones gloating at the moment who they 'stole' tickets) would be dealing with it.
Quins can win, really... I know a couple of people here in London who go to the occasional Quins game, but who aren't ST holders, and they were complaining that they couldn't get tickets and why didn't Quins move the game to Twickenham...
It would be interesting to find out if a significant number of Quins ST holders did pass on their tickets to Munster fans or if it is just perception. 25% allocation is still a lot of people and I'd expect travelling Munster support to make a hell of a lot noise and in comparison a lot of home fans will be the "sit back and entertain me" type of supporter.
Sure a lot of the talk in the rugby clubs I was going around to in Munster over the Easter weekend was about how many Munster designated tickets were readily available for the game. Although, I think part of this may have been some people who had tickets emotionally stating they would not go after the Glasgow debacle, but such emotions probably thawed later in the week.
It seems the PO'C-Dave Keaney incident never happened... Not even a cursory mention by GT in his report. Pathetic. Trying not to draw attention to it is no defense. Anyway, Gatland was in the stands and the @lionsofficial Twitter account was all over it (even posted the YouTube video asking for view points). No doubt it is managed by an English PR with a yen for Robshaw to get the nod.
Fear not, the Leinster Lubbers at RTE have included a line about it in their match report.
"There was an injury stoppage for Dave Kearney who was kicked in the head by O'Connell when the Munster captain made a clumsy attempt to fly-hack the ball."
Hickiefan wrote:It seems the PO'C-Dave Keaney incident never happened... Not even a cursory mention by GT in his report. Pathetic. Trying not to draw attention to it is no defense. Anyway, Gatland was in the stands and the @lionsofficial Twitter account was all over it (even posted the YouTube video asking for view points). No doubt it is managed by an English PR with a yen for Robshaw to get the nod.
Or a Welsh PR with a yen for Warburton to get the nod?
I do wonder whether GT would have maintained such a silence if different players were involved. Something makes me think, for example, if Courtney Lawes had kicked BOD in the head in similar circumstances the incident might have received a small mention.
"You can’t defend like the boss one week and the cookie man the next".
"If Ireland is to sacrifice the corporate knowledge built up by Declan Kidney and others during a period of transition compounded by a freakish bout of injuries this season especially, why compound that by bringing in someone with little or no knowledge of the players and the Irish system?"
To me, that reads as if he's saying "look, we know we've made a balls of things by sacking Kidney but we are where we are so lets see how we can move on".
Oh and suisse, you'll be delighted to know that he threw another "assuredly" in there!
because a new voice never improved things before? Is GT actually an institutionalised Civil servant who truly believes that you have to come up from within?
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:"If Ireland is to sacrifice the corporate knowledge built up by Declan Kidney and others
Could never understand this desire to retain knowledge that hasn't done any of us any good in the last four years.
I'd understand if it was a successful environment that has been winning stuff e.g. New Zealand coaching shake up pre-WC, but the Irish team (under this management team) have been under-performing for 4 years now. I would suggest that the sooner we bring in new sources of "corporate knowledge" and get rid of the old shite, the better.
Cant believe Goebbels is still persisting with the "DK did a good job" and "injuries" line. Surely he has no obligation to DK now he's out of the picture. Unless....... he actually believes that guff... Its like saying Nick Leeson or Bernie Madoff should b retained as they have first hand knowledge of the catastrophe they caused, therefore they are best placed to clean it up! Typical Irish attitude, its no wonder FF are gaining support again, shure dont they have the corporate knowledge!
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Heroes: David Knox, Carlos Spencer, Marc Lieveremont, Ian Madigan.
Villains: Kidney, O'Gara, Phillpe St Andre, Laporte, Cork Con Mafia,Matt O'Connor.
why would any organisation want continuity from underachievement?
the rugby corporate knowledge came from NZRFU not wanting their coaching ticket going elsewhere for huge amounts of money and teaching other sides how to beat the all blacks, dont think thats a problem here.
Its like FF saying we caused the recession but we know where we went wrong now so we're best placed to lead the recovery
other way of reading it is Joe has to get to get the job as he's worked with 50% of the squad last 3 years and coached them against other main two providers 3 times a year
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simonokeeffe wrote:why would any organisation want continuity from underachievement?
the rugby corporate knowledge came from NZRFU not wanting their coaching ticket going elsewhere for huge amounts of money and teaching other sides how to beat the all blacks, dont think thats a problem here. Its like FF saying we caused the recession but we know where we went wrong now so we're best placed to lead the recovery
other way of reading it is Joe has to get to get the job as he's worked with 50% of the squad last 3 years and coached them against other main two providers 3 times a year
simonokeeffe wrote:why would any organisation want continuity from underachievement?
the rugby corporate knowledge came from NZRFU not wanting their coaching ticket going elsewhere for huge amounts of money and teaching other sides how to beat the all blacks, dont think thats a problem here. Its like FF saying we caused the recession but we know where we went wrong now so we're best placed to lead the recovery
other way of reading it is Joe has to get to get the job as he's worked with 50% of the squad last 3 years and coached them against other main two providers 3 times a year
You say that like it never happened
But, but, when they campaign on getting rid of the property tax that the IMF insisted we introduce after they invited the IMF in to run the country and they get elected they WILL get to bring their corporate knowledge back to the big table...
How highly the corporate knowledge of Kidney is regarded will be seen from the calibre of post he (won't be) offered after his holiday. Losing isn't highly valued outside Ireland.
simonokeeffe wrote:why would any organisation want continuity from underachievement?
the rugby corporate knowledge came from NZRFU not wanting their coaching ticket going elsewhere for huge amounts of money and teaching other sides how to beat the all blacks, dont think thats a problem here. Its like FF saying we caused the recession but we know where we went wrong now so we're best placed to lead the recovery
other way of reading it is Joe has to get to get the job as he's worked with 50% of the squad last 3 years and coached them against other main two providers 3 times a year
You say that like it never happened
But, but, when they campaign on getting rid of the property tax that the IMF insisted we introduce after they invited the IMF in to run the country and they get elected they WILL get to bring their corporate knowledge back to the big table...
How highly the corporate knowledge of Kidney is regarded will be seen from the calibre of post he (won't be) offered after his holiday. Losing isn't highly valued outside Ireland.
I was talking about how they stayed in till the bitter end (the election) telling the public that they were the right people for the job of managing the crisis. Like Kidney they stayed to pick up their final paychecks and get the last extra credits for their pensions and many of them saved themselves the expense and effort of going for re-election.
ronk wrote:
I was talking about how they stayed in till the bitter end (the election) telling the public that they were the right people for the job of managing the crisis. Like Kidney they stayed to pick up their final paychecks and get the last extra credits for their pensions and many of them saved themselves the humiliation of being held accountable by the electorate and unceremoniously dumped.
Whiff of Cordite made the point that Deccie couldnt get a prominent/top coaching job outside Ireland, doubt he'd go for one, and can't see him getting offered what he'd be good at: likes of Scot u20s or Wales schools/18s. IMO he'll go to AIL or this UCC director of sport job
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